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| Yea i agree with you - he looks like he thinks highly of himself. I can't help but notice the smirk on his face - just because he can belt out some classical songs which appeal to certain people or ethnic group, doesn't mean he's that good. Danik should have won. Yea voters get emotional with these kind of singers - the public voting usually always favour them . | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I think this show should be split into categories - it does not do justice to some of the contestants. It seems that the result is heavily weighted towards singers and some contestants make blatant appeal to certain group or ethnic groups or religious groups to help them win. You might as well make it a singing contest!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Very pleased with the result. First time (IMO) that the deserving contestant has won. But some people just have sour grapes I guess and start pathetic threads like this... |
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| I wonder what precautions are in place against people using ViOP systems in the voting for the Grand Final. Without safe-guards against ViOP allows a huge vote block for very little cost. Regardless, allowing the result to be dependent entirely on the public vote is ludicrous. remus1107 |
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| I'd like to see the 2nd and 3rd winners recieve a prize of some sort too, after all they have worked hard too and 2nd and 3rd is a good result too. In SYTYCD they have prizes too 3rd place (I think it was something like 5 thousand for 3rd, and 10 thousand for 2nd cant remember what the winner got) Idol only has 1st place too, but this should be looked at too (although sometimes the 2nd place getter has done the best!!!)But AGT it does seem a bit harsh that if you come 2nd you get nothing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| There was a really wrong result !!! Obviously the more quality of voice and how it was delivered was "JAL JOSHUA... |
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| Yes it was the Wrong Result....NONE OF THOSE TWO SHOULD HAVE WON. I don't care if I don't see or hear either of them again. But I would love to experience more of DAVID SPLAT. He was hilarious and brilliant at what he did. I hope to see more of his act in future. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I have to correct myself on a couple of things. Lyndocs, I think you're right, Jal will win his own singing competition someday. Having rewatched part 2 of the final, I don't think it's garish. The first time I cringed all the way through the intro number but I liked it on the second viewing. And I don't think they're trashy for only having a first prize. I watched the Dance final last night & I see they do the same. But yeah, maybe they should give 2nd &/or 3rd prize in these shows. The contestants work so hard, I think maybe in this day & age the time has come for change & we are a more sophisticated culture & the 2nd/3rd in line should be rewarded for their achievements. It hurt to see Charlie & Jal walk away with nothing & the winners get $200/$250K. It just seems like these shows are inadvertantly giving really nice, hugely talented people a slap in the face. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I agree with you coachjacki, I'd like to see everyone get a prize too. Lyndocs that's a fair comment. In my view, Mark & Jal are equally utter, utter champions. Personally I don't think one is better than the other. Their vocal styles are so different I couldn't compare them. You're 100% spot on about Mark, unbelievable for a 15yo, & such a likeable guy too. But the same could be said for Jal, fantastic singer, great kid. I understand your point about the terms of the comp., but I still think it's a bit trashy not to reward others and give numero uno a whopping $250K. Talent is a refreshing alternative to Dance & Idol & it might just be a good thing to foster our talent a little bit more. The other concern I have is protecting children in that position. Jal seemed a bit like a deer in headlights on Wed. night & I felt it crossed the line into child exploitation just a little bit, almost in the murky Jon Benet Ramsay territory. He was overwhelmed & gracious though he was in defeat, I think he was a little shattered all the same & a second prize like they have in Idol (I think) would alleviate that & in the instance you get a child in the glare of the spotlight & pressure of all this which is a regular occurence, it would protect them from the fallout of this. Jal is clearly a sensitive kid & I think this could hurt him quite a bit afterwards. Thus we all become party to some level of exploitation of a precocious child act. Adults allow young people to participate, it's our responsibility to protect them from the sometimes brutal competition within an adult mechanism, I think anyway. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jal was very good, but still developing. In time he will win his own talent competition. Mark Vincent's opera singing talent was in a class of its own. He is only 15 and has the singing voice of someone many years his senior and of many years training. A prize is a prize and all contestants knew the rules from the outset. One winner and one prize. All finalists were very talented and gifted in their particular field. Mark Vincent really did stand apart from the rest. Well done to him and I think a big career is ahead for him. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Yeah jitty - I agree. In fact, I often feel it's wrong to only have ONE prize in these kinds of shows. It could easily be broken down into a couple or three prizes without detracting from the main prize and point of the show. LOL But that's just me - I want to give them all money hahahaha | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| gymnast I agree with you too, after rewatching the final I felt Cameo Rascale deserved my vote, while on the first viewing I leaned towards Mark, despite Jal being my personal favourite. I still voted for Jal anyway, but I was shocked Cameo Rascale came in so low, I would still give the prize to them myself. I guess as much as I loved Mark & Jal & everyone else, I perhaps Cameo Rascale were the more mature & overall well-rounded act. CR put on a knockout, dynamite show too, & deserve credit & appreciation for it. It was Mark's moment in the end & I celebrate with him, he's fantastic. I think maybe Talent should change their prize structure though, Jal achieved so much & came too far to be left empty-handed & unrewarded at the end. Runner-up should get $50K I think & maybe all other finalists $1K- $25K on a sliding scale according to where they came. It's a bit harsh. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| yeah Trekker, I totally agree, in fact I think Mark AND Jal are better than Paul Potts, although he seems like a nice guy. I think Jal's pitch suffered through nerves, which I'd put down to the garish format of the results show, which indirectly put too much pressure on Jal, it was too much for a 12 year old boy, which is understandable. Other than last night though, Jal's pitch has been note perfect every time. People have said some INCREDIBLY nasty things about him on these boards which is unfair on a 12 year old boy. He doesn't have a narrow range or thin voice, he does sing with feeling & his appeal isn't all about being cutesy. I am a competent singer & I am AMAZED by Jal's talent, versatility & virtuoso technical ability, even more because of his age. To those who've said he's just another singing kid, I say what makes him so special is the emotion & feeling with which Jal delivers his songs, extraordinary feel for tempo & volume, expertly used vibrato & stagecraft, really top notch projection & love of song, he sings from the heart & gives it his all like a seasoned adult professional. Tom, Danni & Red really know their stuff & the complements they gave Jal were totally appropriate, I think. I also think Mark is awesome, he's a wildly good opera singer & like pretty much all the finalists, his career is already made. To the doubters what I would say is though you may not hear about it in the mainstream entertainment world, it doesn't mean all 8 finalists won't go on to have artistically excellent & lucrative careers. Nobel, musical theatre/dance, Mark, opera, David, theatre, the tappers in musical shows & variety, Will, variety spots, Cameo Rascale doing the cruise ships & Rakal the circus. With the technical prowess & emotional truth Jal possesses, he can easily transfer them to lower registers when his voice breaks. Look at Aled Jones, choir wonderboy of the 80's. The suggestion that someone loses that level of skill just because his voice breaks is silly. ... |
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| The singing makes everyone all emotional (except me) but I just want to be blown away by skill and hard work. I don't know about everyone else...but I think singing in those tones and holding notes for that long is quite skillfull, and doesn't just happen overnight. And about being blown away. I know I was blown away the first time that 15 year old opened his mouth! I certainly wasn't expecting such a voice. |
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| swift_cdan I agree with you regarding Jal. He was very pitchy last night. I decided to listen to the 2 singers last night rather than watch them - a technique used by recording engineers to isolate sight and sound so they can concentrate on sound. Mark was amazing and beside him, I thought Jal's voice was "thin" and he was off pitch a lot. Jal is good, but will get better as he matures. I made a mistake after the semi's and thought Mark wasn't ready - I was wrong. His performance was outstanding and he deserved to win. I actually thought he sounded better than the British guy (Paul Potts??). |
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| cas_572000: go do something for yourself and learn about the song btw: it's not necessary to understand the words of a song to enjoy it - after all the voice is just another instrument like trumpet or piano ie. there is more to singing than words. |
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| I agree with hbrookshaw. Altho Paul Potts is obviously good at what he does and a lovely guy - I much prefer Mark's singing and think Mark has a better connection with music - one of those "soul" things you can't learn or fake. I hope he keeps that. Also Mark has a richer and mellower tone to his vocals than Paul (and other Opera singers) which is why a lot of non-Opera fans also like him and why he will more easily straddle other genres of music in the future, if he chooses to. Amazing for a kid his age that he already has these qualities. |
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| I think the Australian people have got it right. That boy/man is going to be somebody with the voice he has got. There was such a diverse range of people voting and shows that young and old enjoyed his voice. As per his grandfather he is so proud of how his grandfather encouraged him he had to let everyone know that he did appreciate what he had done for him, Let him take his bows and accalades he deserves them. |
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| There is no doubt in my mind mark was the winner.you really can't compare both boys, they were so very very different.Mark was so natural in his delivery in all performances while it was so obvious that jal although is very talented in his own right was intent to be a show boy and there are so many of these singers around they are a dime a dozen, and that is not a put down as he is very good but his performance were all glitzy where mark bless him just stood and sung. Tears ran down my face with all performances . Well done Mark i will happily cry everty time i hear you sing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I haven't posted here for a while and wow this is certainly the interesting thread. It always interests me when results come out there will always be people that disagree, to be honest that is a good thing because what a boring place we would be in if we all agreed. I personally did not like Mark Vincent and saw him in the semi final at the channel 7 studios, but that does not mean he did not deserve to win. I don't like clasically styled music and will never be a fan and persoanlly didn't like Jal Joshua as in myopinion sang songs I don't like, but I can see they both have talent and both deserved to win as did the majority of the other 6 Grand Finalists. It looks like we have a poster here in the music industry or something similar as they feel Jal Joshua can't sing, well have you listened to the radio recently, I don't think that matters and personally I think he can and didn't rely on the cute factor which has been implied. I am still wondering where he shrieks which has been implied in other threads here as from my point of view I didn't here it. So if somebody on the board can give a realistic insite into why this was the wrong result I would love to know how you come to that conclusion. So far it is just opinions floating around and these appear on a personal level. Personally I loved watching Cameo Rascal and thought they were very entertaining but they didn't win becasue they didn't get the vote, that's life. So did Australia get it wrong, in some opinions yes but obviously more people that voted felt inclined to vote for Mark Vincent and people why do we need to be on about his grandfather and to look into the year he passed, it is very eveident some people are looking for something to bring the poor bloke down. |
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| For goodness sake, why criticise the voters...isn't the vote what the show is all about...I believe that Australia is a democratic nation (daylight saving aside for us in WA). I'm the first to admit that I'm biased as Mark blew me away from the moment he opened his mouth in the first show. I can't see why people think he was going for the sob story/sympathy vote, he was obviously very close to his grandfather and was thanking him for driving him to the first audition and encouraging him. I have nothing against Jal, he seems a nice kid and I wish him well in the future, but as has been mentioned before, who knows what will happen when his voice breaks. Mark can only get better. In fact he gives me goosebumps that Paul Potts couldn't. Only one other tenor can do that and that is Pavarotti. Mark, you are a star! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I'm not criticizing Mark, he is very talented! I'm just criticising the voters because I think there was other more appropriate talent that this show is trying to promote. We need a bit of variety in the type of talent we support!! The singing makes everyone all emotional (except me) but I just want to be blown away by skill and hard work. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Not necessarily jealousy. Sour grapes is about people who dont get their own way so they sulk and throw around unfounded and rude comments to try and feel better. Lots of that going on. Personally I'd have preferred someone else to win it - preferably not a singer - but that doesnt mean there was anything inherently wrong with Mark or that he deserves to be slammed or put down or have wild accusations made about him. Quite the opposite - he's a very talented kid and seems like a nice guy. Well done to him. |
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| Mark was sooo much better than Jal who I believe had very little talent. The first time I heard Mark I believed he had the talent to win and I'm so glad he did. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sour grapes, ha ha!! That infers jealousy! Why would we be jealous?? Just disappointed that we, as Australians, can't show just a teensy bit of diversity! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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