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| History cant be changed. The injutstices of history have been committed by both whites and blacks in all continents. The major thing now is the questions " what next" or "where do we go from here"? My only wish is to see the next generation of Black Australian lead a better life. They do must contribute in arriving at this goal. The black community cant afford to sit passively on the fence. Let bitter past be history and look forward to the future with courage and hope. Yes we can achieve that. Kibwogo |
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| I agree Sue - I baulked at what he said for half a second - and then realized he was really mocking and demeaning one of the only genuine and decent attempt to right historical wrongs in Australian history - the apology to the stolen generations -and from reading the ongoing comments, abject stupidity and "racist apologising" - (ie excuses) in this forum there is such a long way to go. It was immediately clear from Red's comment that he is so racist that he simply look a Koori guy in the face without throwing his own pathetic guilt at his own deep seated racist attitude out into the world. The reason it wasn't edited out is that Australia is such a pathetically racist country in general that such comments go unnoticed. A "non-white" friend asked me only the other day after being ignored at a shopping counter in a local store "what would you do to fix the racism in this country?" I answered education - frankly I think "Brown Eyes - Blue Eyes" workshops should be compulsory world wide but there is only one Jane Elliot in this world and she just can't be everywhere - the world desperately needs millions more like her. The blatant racist BS and the elaborate backstories drawn upon in this forum and obviously heavily internalized in Australian society and world wide is infuriating, upsetting, and pathetic but also must be completely heart wrenching and devastating for all who are trying to survive ongoing racism in their day to day existence in this country. I feel like I want to pull everyone of these pathetic comments in the following pages apart individually (thank you to the handful of human beings who actually know what's going on - you give me heart) but really it seems getting through to many of you poor pathetic lost souls is like trying to convince people from early antiquity that the earth ain't flat - you just have no idea and clearly no heart - I wonder if your really human???????? |
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| To Paul Killingly - Academics crack me up!! Go and live with them mate if you want your eyes opened! I have worked with aboriginals, lived with them in WA, done aboriginal awareness courses, have aboriginal friends who work on missions in both WA and SA. You sound like my social worker friends here in Vic who get their 'knowledge' from the ABC and doco's. There are good and bad in ALL races BUT even my aboriginal friends are continually dismayed and hurt by what the aboriginals do to themselves, their families, their friends within their own communities. My aboriginal mates all work, all pay their bills, and all want to help their fellow aboriginals - but it takes its toll and it is heartbreaking. PEOPLE HAVE TO WANT TO HEAL AND TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEIR POSITION IN LIFE!! So take a trip to a mission and see if the 'knowledge and insight' your course has given you mirrors what you see. Then maybe we can talk.... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| and when did this supposed to have occured?????????????? hey tell us, you think science has an answer for everything? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Urzula there was a stolen generation, how can you say there was no stolen generation you didn't experience it...May families were moved and some have never found each other. how can you tell people to Get over it, you don't know the facts, you didn't loose you language, look put it this was how would you feel being stolen by people over sea's and everything you knew is lost, your language and everything....... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| My advice is to get a life and worry about the important things. There are so many more important issues at play at the moment but you are focussed on yourself and the 'hard life you have had'. Grow up and think of how lucky you actually are. Do you live in an area that is constantly bombed, or in danger of being shot by people you have no quarrel with? |
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| Perhaps before any of you write to forums such as this, you should do some proper research. As a Non-Indigenous Australian, I have just completed a uni course at USQ on Indigenous Studies (EDU 1141)and my formerly ignorant eyes were opened wide for the first time. Do the course all of you, and then we'll have a chat... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i agree the aliens will make this world have to work as one to survive. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Justin B, there were aboriginal soldiers in Gallipoli too. And islanders. It wasn't all us crackers, you know. Us honkies. And the Australian and New Zealand governments continue to preserve the MEMORY, but they do not demand the turks pay us compensation for the dead. It is a different issue. How far do we go with this? Do we find everyone of persian descent and get them to demand an apology from anyone of Roman descent? Must Italy pay for grief and suffering? 200 years ago, 3000 years ago... Around 40-50,000 years ago an Islander people came across a landbridge to a young continent full of pygmies. Using ancient warefare, they completley wiped the pygmies out. Several skeletons have been found and dated that died by violence, killed by a taller people with spears and clubs. The "Aboriginals" are the original invaders, unfortunatley there is no-one left to say sorry to. I guess the pygmies will just have to get over it, eh? We're all human, you crazy crazy people. Our skin colour depends on where in the world our ancestors were 500,000 years ago. It means less than a Jerry Spinger final thought. I can't wait until we are attacked from space so we realize that ethnicity means jack all in the great scheme of things. |
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| If nothing will ever make up for the pain of the stolen generation, if all the sorrys and taxpayer funding in the world won't heal your hurts, then it is probably best to let it go. Reflect on the fact that most invaded countries lose their initial culture alltogether, or are just stamped out. Also, I don't think that the Aboriginal people (A misnomer as they weren't actually the first people here... they invaded!) kept archives on paper to trace their family history. It was oral tradition. Now my two cents: EVERYTHING and anything that causes us to see someone as seperate from us is wrong and harmful. If we are supposed to all be Australians, then why are there aboriginals, white Australians, jewish and islamic community courts, and Japanese-only clubs? All these distinctions just increase sepratism and make us see people with a different coloured skin or cultural background as different alltogether, maybe not even human. Saying "I'm proud to be black" means you would not be proud to be white. Racism cuts both ways, people. We all come from the same common clay and we are all here now and the past cannot be fixed but the future can, so let's concentrate on that. Fighting among ourselves is base, barbaric and foolish... we're not animals any more. We are the most ascended and advanced beings striding this planet, so let's act like it. -Ben Skinner |
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| Virtually every country on earth has been taken over and conquered by the white man at various times, sometimes more than once. I am not discussing the rights or wrongs of such behaviour and attitudes, just saying that that was how life was. Like it or not, Australia was and still remains a conquered country. If the original inhabitants wish they can retire to areas of their choosing and try to live according to their culture. I have my own culture and I live by that so I'm not particularly interested in their culture. Why should I say sorry to the Aboriginals when my ancestors weren't even in the country when all those things happened. I don't recall the French appologising and saying sorry to the Anglo Saxons for the Norman invasion and conquest of England. I don't recall the Russians appologising and saying sorry to the East European countries that they occupied and terrorised. It always amuses me when I hear a person describe themself as an Aborigine when they are less that a half cast by blood as they are denying the majority of their blood. Remember, person who is 1/4 aboriginal is also 3/4 non aboriginal. So get real and stop playing games with your pom poms. |
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| hold on hold on. i was taught in school during History that the stolen generation were actually kids born to an aboriginal & English. & yes most of the mothers were aboriginal. so tell me why are we arguing when its technically both races been taken here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Well i am the grand daughter of one of the stolen generation.My nan was removed when her white father was away working to support his family.My nan was taken from her loving mother by force and never seen her alive again. They removed my nan to an island so that there was no way for her to be traced.My nana spent the next 60 to 70 years trying to find her sister. And sadly never did. And nana reckons sorry aint gonna do jack and money will never make up for what was lost.Compensation ha.It will never bring back the family and the love that my nan lost. She did not have a choice, was forcibly removed. Well dressed very healthy and had never been abused.If thats not stolen tell me what is.Help them find thier roots and thier families.White people can trace thier family tree for a few hundred years.Aboriginals USED to be able to trace thier family linage for thousands. And after white men stepped in they cant even find someone in thier own generation. All papers were destroyed and the only way out of the missions was to pick a huband out of a hand full of letters.The only reason they stood there and said sorry at all is because it was proven what they were saying and the truth were two very different things.People need to check thier facts before making totaly uneducated comments.Unmarried YOUNG mothers were under a completely different law than aboriginal people.And most of them were removed using the same tool.The bible in one hand and the so called law in the other. ONLY similarity.Our white forfathers and thier high handed moralistic attitude is where our laws came from blame them.But don't judge what you so obviously know nothing about.And there is no excuse as others have said there are enough books and movies that can tell you what really happened. Or are you to scared to face the fact you big mouth could really do with a foot in it.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| shilailli i was refering to both the stolen gen and now day so read properly | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No you weren't Samantha. You referred to the stolen generation and not today's youngsters. And by the way, youngsters drinking from 9am in the morning is happening in white society too - don't choose to view what you want and just see black. |
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| shilailli im talking about now days not back when white people used aboriginal people as slaves im talking about these modern days isee these kids drinking booze from 9 and on wards i see the conditions they live in so u take ur blinkers off and see wat the hell is happening around you these kids need to be helped now like those children were helped back in the "stolen generation" | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| by the way the complete tool I refer to is jswinton | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| People like you are complete tools, I didn't blame the aborigines for having my child taken from me, in fact I was at the same convent with a part aboriginal girl from Canberra, and the same thing happened to her,and I don't think she blamed me either, as we stayed pen pals for many years; you are distorting what people say, I doubt you have ever met an aborigine, as you choose to demean them by assuming they need dills like you to speak for them; I have news for you, they are the same as you,(the majority probably more intelligent) and you are assuming they are not, just by your patronising attitude. I was meaning we are all Australians, and we should stop thinking black or white and think people. I think you are just trying to make yourself feel good, by standing up for someone you secretly think is inferior. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Samantha, your attitude is one of justifying the wrongs of white Australians against the indigenous people. You also need to take your blinkers off and realise that Aboriginal women and children were abused, raped and used as slaves by their white bosses, and in addition, the stolen generations of children were also used, abused, raped, s-o-d-o-m-i-s-e-d and used as slaves by the people who stole them including the religious clergy. They lived a life of horrors alright, there is no doubting that. |
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| I find offensive the idea that the children stolen were "given a chance" and that their parents "couldn't look after them". Sure, we need to look forward rather than back, but not to condone the racism that brought about the "stolen generation", and which is seems continues in some Australians today. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Goodness gracious,listen to all of you ignorant red necked true blue Aussies. Whingeing Aborigines...how about whingeing white Australians. Red is a snot nosed smart alec who thinks because he's well read, he's clever. Well being clever is knowing when to comment and when to let it go...even if it does effect the ratings. It's a third rate TV show, where three people sit and play " look at me look at me" and not one of them is overly talented. As for Red, when he can't think of something clever to say he's screwed. Probably none of you true blue racists have even been to anAboriginal community or mixed with the people that make them up so how can you make a valid comment. You should be proud of the fact that we have indigenous groups who have a rich history (that white Australians tried to destroy)and If any of you can actually read,instead of using forums such as this to vent your spleen, get a few good books on the subject and educate yourselves about the facts.Learn something that might enrich your life and give you food for thought. And urzula the fact that you had your bub taken from you at 16 is not the fault of the Aborigine. If you had any sense at all you would empathize with the terrible injustices done to yourself and to those of the stolen generation. And to the rest of you so called Aussies, have another beer, place another bet,demean women and other marginalised groups in this wide brown land, and have a darn good day. |
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| TAKE NOTE : RED has gotten alot of ATTENTION....(maybe more so).. We all know he thrives on his persona... Thats why they chose ppl like RED to b judges..Publicity.. |
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| Hey Urzula, your situation cannot be compared with the 'stolen' children of the Aboriginal people. Their children were "stolen", never to be seen or able to be contacted again - yours was taken from you sure, but you had the opportunity to have contact again in the future. No, you have nothing to 'whine' about, but they do. How about putting things in perspective. |
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