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| You are absolutely correct Merry... anyone can get cancer, no matter how healthy they are. But there are certain things you can do to increase your chances, like smoking and not taking precautions in the sun, for instance. My fiance's uncle has throat cancer and he has never smoked, or drank and has lived on a farm in the country his whole life. Sometimes life is like the roll of a dice. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| It's true Cherry, yhings happen to people with the healthiest lifestyles. Regardless of what people on here believe Addiction is recognised in the medical proffesion as a disease. And like alot of diseases they don't know what triggers it, just that it exists, and yes they can treat it, but it is a medically recognised disease, even if it is habitual. A person may choose to drink, yes, but they don't choose to be addicted. |
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| My grandfather had emphesema, and he didnt smoke. He also had liver problems and didnt drink alcohol. I think these diseases, or whatever they may be are not only caused by behaviours/choices. It's a common misconception led by the media. I'm not a doctor or a nurse, but this about my Granddad is true. |
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| Depedning ogn the disease/illness, the approach is different. They all require education, they all require treatment. A lot of illnesses though Nav cannot be overcome by deciding on treatment choice and lifestyle changes. A good example, my step-dad did everything to beat his cancer, the doctor gave him 6 months to live and thats how long he lived. And some people walk around for years and year with a brain tumour and its notdiagnosed becasue often thre are no symptoms. THey just drop dea one day. THis happened ton my Granny's friend who dropped dea on her kitcehn floor from a brain tumour. There are just so many variables. I wasn having a go at you Nav.... you raised some interesting points and I mostly agreed with them :) |
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| So, from what I can make of it, a lot of the diseases we spend lots of money on each year, actually start with or are exacerbated by a...wait a minute...a choice? Gee, wasn't that the initial point made in the first place??? Seems to me we are going round and round in circles personally attacking people for daring to recognise the facts. Regardless of what you term it to be, it is clear that all the illnesses/diseases listed, including alcoholism, have an element of choice and consequence involved. The alcoholic may initially have been a victim, via genetics or upbringing or weak will or whatever, but, in the end, the level to which this takes over their life is up to them. Terming it a 'disease' takes attention away from the fact that alcohol or any addiction is a symptom of deeper issues the person needs to overcome and this is the help that the person needs. In AA and similar programs it is about learning how to deal with life without drinking, gambling, etc. If alcoholism was merely a biological or physiological 'disease', this 'reconditioning' of life skills would not be necessary. The same is true of mental issues, where just drugs are not sufficient and a more holistic treatment program is necessary for long term success. Whatever happens to any of us, whether it's cancer, diabetes, or alcoholism, at the end of the day, we only beat those things by deciding we do have a choice in how we react to it and what we do from now on to help ourselves get well. And I'm sorry, but I have a right to express that-without being personally attacked! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| yeah illnesses not diseases for gods sake | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I rest my case bungey!! :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Shark you should send him a bill for education. He is tough. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| *Type 2 diabetes is often self inflicted through unhealthy lifestyle choices... following your logic Bngeman, then diabetes is not a disease *Nether is emphysema it is mostly casued by smoking and that too is a lifestyle choice *Cirohosis of the liver is casued by drinking, another lifestyle choice... also not a disease??? *ANd melanoma cause by not taking precautions in the sun, also not a disease as it is caused by neglecting to take precasutions in the sun? *and what about AIDS, which is commonly transmitted through unsafe sex, is this not a disease becasue condomsor abstinence werent used??? *Heart disease.... casue by obesity, stress, smoking.... another non-disease as it can be brought upon by lifestyle choice??? How many more examples do I need to give here??? Your arguements hold no weight Bungeman As for non-physical diseases... what about schizophrenia, depresssion, bi-polar disorder, personlaity disroder.... these are clearly illnesses and are classified in the ICD9 and DSMIV if you care to look them up.... you may even find addcitions there too. suffers of mental illnes can be perfectly healthy in a physical sense but clearly they are not Please Bungeman.... dont make comments on things you clearly know nothing about |
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| Are you serious? Do you think alcoholics WANT to be addicts? Do you think they enjoy feeling that low that they need to drown themselves with alcohol, get up early in the morning, throw their guts up and then needing to drink it away again? Just because it's not a physical disease doesn't make it any less of a disease. It's a dependance disease. GO AND GET EDUCATED. |
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| I gave you your dictionary meanings. I think you're the one that is a little bit confused. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i pity u all u just dont get it alcoholism is self inflicted therefore a habit, disease is contracted from another source | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| bravo yelena but bungamen knows better. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Let him have one way cnversation | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Disease: 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body. 2.any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition Addiction: the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. disorder: a disturbance in physical or mental health or functions habit: addiction habit -> addiction -> disorder -> disease Alcoholism is a disorder, which leads to alcohol related diseases, such diseases of the liver (eg Cirrhosis). Whether it be a disease or a disorder, it's still a physical/mental condition. |
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| <yous are all so thick> What kind of medical training have you got Bungeman? Your the thick one for having such a narrow mind and an out-dated attitude. I pity you. Your Collins dictionary is not research. |
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| irene hasn't met larry has she? so it's none of her business really. and aden doesn't talk to her about his home life anyway.. if he did, maybe it'd be different | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| My understanding is the addiction is a disease; and often people addicted to one thing, will start up another if they give up the first... your body get's used to the chemicals triggered in the brain, and once you stop getting them, the brain finds the same 'thrill' another way... which is why you can never be an ex-alcoholic or Gambler etc Bingeman you are very fortunate that you do not have an addictive personality and were able to give up smoking so easily. Your lungs should be very happy now! |
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| Addiction is recognised as a disease now for a reason. There's a shame there's still so much ignorance surrounding the subject. Addicts have plenty of wilpower, it's a common mis conception that they don't. It's just focussed in the wrong direction. |
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| look up the dictionary and define the words habit and disease | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| One day you might be affected by alcoholism or some other terrible disease and then maybe you will understand bungeman. Dont belive its a disease??? Do a little research then |
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| For starters sharks is a NURSE, not a doctor, and second Unless you work in the medical profession, I highly doubt that you know more. You can keep argueing but the fact remains whether or not you agree or like it Alcoholism IS a disease. |
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| Yes that is odd, She would know how he is feeling and help him through the hard times. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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