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| Because Charlie will always be linked to Joey)) ......................... ............. In your dreams and nothing else now. Quite amusing that Tania keeps coming on your thread to tell you that she isn't coming back. Charlie is with Angelo but that has nothing to do with this thread either. |
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| Why is that even mentioned when it is about Ruby's lack of respect for Charlie ---------------------- Because Charlie will always be linked to Joey)) |
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| Why was Charlie even getting involved with Joey considering the rape/murder? We know now that Charlie was raped and she apparently thought it was acceptable to start up a relationship with a vunreable young girl who had just been raped/nearly killed while she was in a position of trust. If the show was realistic then Charlie would have been fired from the police for that alone. ......................... ........ Why is that even mentioned when it is about Ruby's lack of respect for Charlie |
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| in all rights why does ruby have to respect charlie she hid the fact she was her mother for 16 years of her life and charlie doesnt show much respect for her when she found out she had diabetes she didnt seem the least bit interested i think charlie is just now starting to act like a mother figure but otherwise charlie should back off a bit i think ruby wants more of a friends relationship with charlie but charlie wants to be mother hen ruby is old enough to make her old decisions and charlie should just realise it might take ruby a while but she will come around. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I've always loved Home and Away but from the moment she started to treat Joey like dirt - Joey who had been raped and nearly murdered who was already so broken - I lost all respect for Charlie - And she has only got worse - The only time i ever enjoy home and away is if I don't have to see Charlie or Angelo - Whenever they are on i change channels ========================= = Why was Charlie even getting involved with Joey considering the rape/murder? We know now that Charlie was raped and she apparently thought it was acceptable to start up a relationship with a vunreable young girl who had just been raped/nearly killed while she was in a position of trust. If the show was realistic then Charlie would have been fired from the police for that alone. |
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| Ditto natascha_oh! We need to remember that it is a 'soapie', characters are always going to have their ups and downs. Without it, it wouldn't be worth watching...there would be nothing to talk about. |
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| What have Charlie taught Ruby - how to lie, how to cheat, how to be ashamed of how you feel, how to feel sorry for yourself, how to manipulate and use people, how to be judgemental, how to be nasty, how to kiddnapp and torture someone, how to be unprofessional =========== Must be great minds think alike Ocasr - Because I couldn't have put it better myself!!!! There is nothing good Ruby could learn from Charlie especially anything from her personal life. All she has shown Ruby is how to be a weak person and run away from your feelings - That it is basically ok to Cheat or to sleep with other people in relationships - As well as many more bad habits. To be honest I don't even see that Ruby is being that horrible to Charlie - If someone could enlighten me to what has been so awful about the way Ruby has been talking to Charlie that would be great. Charlie should just do everyone a favour and bugger off. I've always loved Home and Away but from the moment she started to treat Joey like dirt - Joey who had been raped and nearly murdered who was already so broken - I lost all respect for Charlie - And she has only got worse - The only time i ever enjoy home and away is if I don't have to see Charlie or Angelo - Whenever they are on i change channels |
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| Well, as I said, I like them both. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wow! Judging by what a lot of people now think of these two characters, i think the writers have stuffed up big time! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| is was originally not about totally condemning one person or another but about the fact that Ruby was disrespectful to Charlie in several particular scenes. ------------------------- - Well some might question if Charlie is worthy of any respect in the first place, or if she is just making the situation worse by forcing the issue with Ruby and not giving her the space she needs. That all relates to discussions of Charlie's dubious character. |
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| This was originally not about totally condemning one person or another but about the fact that Ruby was disrespectful to Charlie in several particular scenes. I personally like both characters and have neither need nor desire to sl*g them off. |
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| Charlie is a horrible role-model for Ruby, constantly cheating, lying, and being generally pathetic. Ruby's diabetes is probably Charlie's fault too, she has inherited Charlie's FailGene's. What have Charlie taught Ruby - how to lie, how to cheat, how to be ashamed of how you feel, how to feel sorry for yourself, how to manipulate and use people, how to be judgemental, how to be nasty, how to kiddnapp and torture someone, how to be unprofessional. |
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| But at that point Ruby already knew half the story and had too many questions. How could she have decided not to tell her? It's not an ideal situation, but we don't need to blame it all on one person. ========= Despite who told Ruby the truth - That doesn't really matter - What matters is that people are sl*ging off Ruby saying what a horrible person she is - Well maybe they should look at what she has got for a mother - If Ruby is a liar and a this and a this - Then she has only got it off Charlie - Who better to show her how to be an awful person than the one person who does it flawlessly |
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| Maybe you should watch those episodes again. Anyway, I rest my case. |
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| Charlie made the decision to tell Ruby, she didn't need to tell her anyway at all. Lets face it Ruby would be better off not knowing. Who would seriously want Chuckles as a mother. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| But at that point Ruby already knew half the story and had too many questions. How could she have decided not to tell her? It's not an ideal situation, but we don't need to blame it all on one person. |
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| She didn't need to reveal the truth. She made a decision to tell the truth. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| If I remeber correctly it was Ross who blundered out part of the secret during one of his alzheimer related lapses. After that, one thing led to another, and it was mainly Ruby who pushed to know everything. Morag contributed her part by unwittingly mentioning the baby at table, Angelo said too much because he thought Ruby already knew. What was Charlie supposed to do? She could hardly have refused to tell after all that. |
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| Charlie has no right to expect Ruby to respect her, she has not right to expect Ruby to treat her like a mother. She has not right to expect Ruby to do what she says. She's a liar and horrible role model. Ruby has a mother already and its not Charlie. ============= I agree whole heartedly - Charlie shouldn't expect anything from Ruby - Just because she gave birth to Ruby it does not automatically make her her mother! - Biologically yes she is - And I guess at times she has been an ok sister but face the facts people - Charlie is a useless horrible person anyhowz she is constantly in the dramas - She doesn't have any morals whatsoever - Who would want her as a mother - she is not a good role model - Tell me what does she have to offer Ruby that's of any value???? She can carry on being the sister if she wants but she needs to back off with the mother stuff - She's not a maternal person anyhowz - She's too cold to be. It would be hard for Ruby to some how programmed her brain after 16 years of thinking Charlie is her sister to now just being forced to say "oh ok she's my mother now - So now i'm going to listen to her as a daughter and our relationship is just going to suddenly do a 360 and became this mother and daughter relationship - In a couple of years she will be 18 she doenst need Charlie to mother her. |
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| Are we forgetting that it was Charlie who directly told Ruby about her parentage? Charlie used to have a few decent side, in that she was good at her job but apart from that she is pretty useless and even more so recently. |
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| Let's not forget that Charlie had no intention of destroying Ruby's illusion about who her parents were. The secret came out against her will. But it's kind of pointless saying that to you, oscartg, as you are dead set against Charlie no matter what. I think there are good and bad sides to everyone. Giving Charlie credit for nothing at all and classifying her as a total loser is unrealistic. You don't have to be a fan to see all aspects of a character. |
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| I don't think Ruby will ever accept Charlie as ever mother considering she has been lied to for so long and the fact that she already had a mother. She doesn't need another mother, especially her inept sister suddenly trying to be all maternal. Charlie should give it up already. I think Charlie has ruined the bond between them, she should have kept it to herself in the first place and she could have lived as close sisters. Now she has runined even that. |
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| Yeah, I agree they have a really strong bond that is too strong to be broken. And I think one reason why Ruby is acting up and daring to be independent is because deep in her heart she knows she could never push Charlie away. She can afford to be provocative and rebellious because she is certain of Charlie's love and support. |
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| ......are comfortable with the new role Charlie is taking on in Ruby's life. Particularly with Geoff leaving and Ruby's diabetes there's probably going to be some strong Ruby storylines coming up next year that will heavily involve Charlie and rightly so. They really are each other's only family and friend. Considering so many are leaving the bay. |
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| No Ruby's mother was Ross' wife. Charlie is nothing more than a donor of some DNA. It takes more than getting knocked up to be a "mother". Charlie should accept this and got have another kid if she desperate to mother someone. ========================= ========================= = That's not true. Charlie may have given over parental rights to her parents but she was always way more to Ruby than just a DNA doner. She looked out for Ruby, cared for her, protected her and loved her for 15 years. Yes she may have ran away for a year but wouldn't you if you were raped at 14 and gave birth to a child under those horrible circumstances. She was broken. But she came back determined to mother her child only Ruby had grown attached to her "parents". It would have bee unfair to pull her away from her attachements and it would have been impossible for a 15 year old girl to care for a child. Like one of the contributors below said, if you had a child that was concieved through rape you would find it difficult to look at the child without turning away in disgust. Most young girls, or womenm in that situation go through with an abortion, abandon their child or give them up for adoption. But Charlie didn't do that. Yes she went away to sort herself out for a year, but she came back. And regardless of her role in Rubys life she has done nothing but love her whole heartedly for as long as Ruby can remember. That's somehting Ruby cannot deny. As for Ruby, I think it's just going to take time. I mean it's only been a couple of weeks since she found out. Of course Charlie switching into mother mode like that is going to leave her feeling uncomfortable and unsettled, but that's only because it's a new developement. I don't know if Ruby will want Charlie to be her mother. She grew up thinking she was her sister and that's not something that will change overnight. However I think Ruby and Charlie have been to close too long for them not to reach a stage where............. ... |
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