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| Hello... which is it to be? Federer is the best of all time...or...one of the best of all time. Still reckon this kind of talk is better left until sometime after a champion is retired. Did tennis fans, critics and columnists say Laver was best of all time in the late 60's and early 70's? Or... Did that accolade come years after he was retired? |
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| ha ha, nye has just remembered why he doesn't post down here very often. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| This debate is futile. Laver had the disadvantage of the amatuer/professional transition, but the advantage of only 2 surfaces and limited international influences in the game. In recent years the tennis world has grown enormously, Davis Cup is no longer a US v Aus foregone conclusion. We have Sth America and Asia really coming along well, and Europe is just going from strength to strength. Federer is the best player I have seen, but the mere concept of GOAT is flawed and the debate is not worth having (but we always will!). |
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| Well said Mickeyboy but it will be nlike water of a ducks back with him as he is so one eyed and so self opinionated | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sorry but you must be a goose i have seen laver and Federer play sorry to say this there is no onparision between they federer has won the right to be called one of the greats along with all the others. I take it you have never played tennis at a top leavel and have no idea on how hard it is to do what They have done. So from your comment crawl back to where you come from hide in shame for degrading all tennis players all over the world. And if you have any more comments keep them to your self you are a insult to all that have played and are still playing so get a life and get the facts right Federer is one of the best there will be in this day and age..... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Laver was humble in victory,Federer is not.Laver was way before my time but I did play with a slazenger wood frame racket when I was coached as a young guy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TLF Zed used to play with wooden rackets so he must be the same vintage as Laver | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| zed would probably have found Laver boring - no tantrums, no abuse of umpires or opponents - quiet gentleman who played brilliant tennis - similar to someone else we know? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| So you know what Agassi think now ZB. You really take the cake. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Laver could have - in your words could have, would have, should have is not good enough! But with all due respect Laver actually could have. And this is where GOAT cannot be determined. Truly you can compare across eras, but Laver was denied the opportunity to write it definitively into history. What i was saying earlier is that to attempt consecutive grand slams would have been an effort. Even for Laver. He might have, but we will never know. Borg could have, but he had no success at the US Open nor at his 3 attempts at the Aus open. Federer eclipses Borg. Nadal has his work cut out if he is to try to do the same. He might, but that remains to be seen. Federer has/is doing it. I wonder tho Z, would you bag Laver the way you do Federer if he were playing today? If Federer is the modern day laver, then don't the masses have the right to marvel? Take the ride, enjoy the tennis, forget who wins. Love the game. |
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| Andre Agassi says Laver's efforts were God-like.He obviously doesn't think Federer is the greatest. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Very close is not good enough. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| And if Laver had played in the Slams for the 5 years that professionals were banned he probably would have won Wimbledon a few times,the French Championships a few times,the Australian Championships a few times and the U.S Championships a few times.It might have something to do with the FACT that across the amateur and professionals ranks Rod Laver was still rated the best male tennis player in the world based on his amazing results in that 5 year period.I think most fair minded observers would concede that another Grand Slam [that would be his 3rd] was very likely if he had been allowed to compete in all the Slams. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Not only does Rafa have a long way to go to match this, but Rod Laver and Borg would too in many respects. Of course neither of these two players contested all slam tournaments that they could have, but neither has Federer. Laver is quite humble to suggest that GOAT cannot be compared across eras (as he is the benchmark atm), but McEnroe & Sampras are clear who is, and Laver himself has put Federer well ahead of anyone in the Open Era. |
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| Consider this for a second. 2004 Aus Open Champion 2004 Roland Garros - beaten by Kuertin who was eventual winner 2004 Wimbledon champion 2004 US Open champion - Not Grand slam but close as you can get(3 of 4 finals - won 3) ---------- 2005 Australian Open SF - beaten by Safin 9-7 in 5th set - eventual winner 2005 Roland Garros SF - beaten by Rafa - eventual winner 2005 Wimbledon & US Open champion - Not Grand slam but ok (2 of 4 finals - won 2) ---------- 2006 Aust Open Champion 2006 Roland Garros F - beaten by Rafa - eventual winner 2006 Wimbledon Champion 2006 US Open champion - Not Grand slam but close as you can get (4 of 4 finals - won 3) ---------- 2007 Aust Open Champion 2007 Roland Garros F - beaten by Rafa - eventual winner 2007 Wimbledon for 5th consecutive 2007 US Open champion for 4th consecutive - Not Grand slam but ok (4 of 4 finals - won 3) ---------- 2008 Aust Open SF - was ill and beaten by Djokovic - eventual winner 2008 Roland Garros F - beaten by Rafa - eventual winner 2008 Wimbledon F - beaten by Rafa 9-7 in 5th set - eventual winner (arguably the greatest Slam or Wimbledon Final ever) 2008 US Open champion - 5th consecutive - Not Grand slam but ok (3 of 4 finals - won 1) ------------- 2008 Australian Open F - beaten by Rafa 5 sets - eventual winner (arguably the Slam or Aus Open Final ever) 2008 Roland Garros Champion 2008 Wimbledon - yet to be contested 2008 US Open - yet to be contested - Not Grand slam but can be in all finals - unlike no other (2 of 2 finals - won 1) ------------- The point is if it weren't Rafa and illness (2008 Aus Open), the only players that would have prevented Federer from winning 5 grand slams in a row would be Safin and Kuertin. And he would be on his way to a sixth! It is a stretch yes, but when you consider greatness you must realise - yes he hasn't won a grand slam yet, but has been very very close on at least 3 if not 4 occasions in the last 5 years. |
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| uh, no he wouldn't have, because the French has always been played on clay. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| If 3 of the 4 slams were on grass, as when Laver played, then Federer would have won a calender slam 4 times in a row. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sorry nicolinaharris. I thought I had replied to your question. There is an article on Yahoo about Laver and the figures are all available on the ATP website | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| grsydney has started a James Blake thread .Anyone with an I.Q of less than 50 can contribute.Daaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Hello, you are very educated. Can you tell me the title of this book where you get that and other facts and figures from |
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| SIMPLE FACT Grand Slams in those days were 75% on GRASS. Australia,US and Wimbledon all played on GRASS. They only played on two surfaces so you cannot compare the two players at all. Sure it was a feat to win all Grand Slams then but just think before you make wild statements the situation then is not the situation you have in the modern era. Until even recently there were actually five different surfaces till Australia changes theirs to be more in tune with the US hard court. You have no case ZBG..so crawl back under your riock or go back and do your homework |
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