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| nye, good point, it's funny, people ask me who I follow in the premier league, to which I usually respond "There are a lot of other leagues in england you know?" I follow QPR, but almost everyone I know will follow Man U, Liverpool, Arznal, or Chelsea, the odd spurs fan, a hammer or two.. I did meet an everton fan once.. But when I say QPR, most (uneducated) say "Who?". I find it funny that it has become 'trendy' to have a EPL team to follow, yet most people would not be able to point the location of their team out on a map if their life depended on it.. Someone asked me the other day "How come there is no London team in the EPL?" He supposedly follows Chelsea... |
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| the reason it works in england and a lot of other european countries, is they are a lot smaller than us, the cost of travel for fans and clubs are like chicken feed to what we pay over here football at the grassroots is the only way to expand the game, over here we need to get the next generation of kids hooked on the game, the A league should have sold the rights to a free to air channel( sbs would have shown every game), it might sound like financial suicide but it would have raised the profile a lot quicker than what its doing now |
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| No, no, no - Soccer only ever started Pro/Rel systems beacuse it was all amateur and European countries had 100s of clubs that could all compete on fairly level fields. Players played for the side located where they lived and that was that. So a side sitting 80th overall could find themselves holding up the FA cup because they had a great group of players coming through at the time. In Australia we have no population, $$$ or support to sustain clubs floundering in a second or third division. Most supporters are too fickle to get behind a lower side - and they'd never get TV coverage either, this makes getting sponsors too difficult and the club would go bust in no time! How many people that watch English soccer tell you they are avid supporters of Cheltnam Town or Tranmere Rovers? NONE, why? Because they want to support a team they can watch year in and year out on TV. Man U, Liverpool, Arznal, Chelski etc. The odd fan of Wolverhampton or West Ham will come along, but they are still regular top flight teams. In Australia it just won't work. It is one of 4 professional footy codes we play, there is no way it can sustain 20 or more sides - even a 10 team comp is drawing no crowd support, and that has nothing to do with there being no threat of relegation! Not even the ladder leaders are getting people through the gates or high TV ratings! |
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| I think the problem with the A league is that its not faithful to what football really is, We have no relegation battles no threat finishing last, no real point finishing first either, this system breeds mediocrity it doesnt favour consistency The league should not be about one game, but all of them the best way do this, is to include state soccer teams in an fa cup style knock out and then progressing the A league to a 2 league comp with relegation and promotion just my thoughts |
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| It usually takes 2 things to build clubs in any sport: time and success. Melb Victory have great support on the back of 2 titles. Adelaide hasnt actually won anything, but took their fans on a ride through Asia to the ACL final and to 2 a-league finals and now have a strong core supporter base. So too does perth from the NSL days. Even Sydney has a decent core support base. Teams like Roar, gold coast & Fury have neither on-field success nor history. These things take time. So the sooner new clubs are established, the sooner histories & rivalries will be created, as well as on-field successes resulting in growth of core supporter bases. Only have to look at the Brisbane Lions AFL. A-League expansion asap is the only way to go. Keeping the a-league an 8 team comp for any longer would have been crazy. |
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| nye - unfortunately some of the moves are being forced by joining Asia and participating in the ACL. Not sure about the actual details but I remember reading somewhere that Australia required to a have a 2 tier competition with 14 or so clubs.............. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The A-league is, and always will be, a feeder comp for players. We don't have the money to make it an EPL style comp with a bunch of the worlds best players. This is why I think any dreams of making it a 2 tier, 20 odd team comp is a joke. They are trying to expand too quickly and they assume the fans will come on board. This is not going to happen unless it is a gradual and organic process. Soccer is very popular in this country, at an ELITE level. We turn out in droves of Socceroos games against big nations and we tune in to the EPL in Fox Sports in large numbers. The A-leauge in comparison is a glorified park comp. The FFA needs to look at some unique ways of getting people's attention - and having boofheads like Palmer, Bielberg, Bombolous and Kosmina around doesn't help. I would've thought the best way to spread the A-league would have been to make it an 8 team comp, similar to the Sheffield Shield cricket (though adding the 2 territories to the 6 states). Players are spread to just 8 sides and games can be taken to all parts of each state and there would always be a home side. 8 teams, no expansion, all for one type stuff. But it's too late for that and the A-League must now just focus on getting people interested - not an easy task. |
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| soccer has nothing to prove in this country.- That may be true but unfortunately it needs to because the whole point of the A-league was to grow the game because not enough people were interested. Great to see the Glory back this year, I agree its an excellent example for the rest of the league. |
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| you know why the A-league us struggling?? its because the head honchos are treating it as an all for profit business.... targeting the corporate sector for sponsorships and hopping into bed with Foxtel who don't care at all about the fans... that !diot Clive Palmer is the perfect example of what is wrong with the A-League... on a positive note... after dismal crowds last season the Perth Glory got away from wooing the corporate sector and concentrated more on families and young kids and hey presto... they have turned things around in terms of attendance |
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| soccer has nothing to prove in this country. anyone who has followed the game in Australia pre A-league know this. |
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| I believe you refer to Mike C//ockerill. An absolute belter of a journo, makes Danny Wiedler look credible. He is pushing the agenda of Lowy and the FFA... yet another shining example of all that's wrong with soccer in this country. Maybe if they just stick to promoting the game, helping out the clubs and taking care of the fans instead of all this political garbage, soccer might strike a blow or two. |
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| does anyone else think the fact Football relies on the AFL, and NRL season finishing to get crowds numbers up a little troubling? So far it doesnt appear to be working | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Absolutely the A-leagues a joke for this country. I love soccer (football) passionately but you cant hide from it. There seems to be this pathetic view by the footballing media here that due to the games global success that other codes better watch out cause footballs arrived and theres nothing you can do. Recently Mike (cant write who) or whatever the clowns name is had an article stating how Footballs arrived and the other codes are pretty much pathetic heaps who should help the world cup bid or eventually crumble.... Well Footballs been the biggest game in the world for 100 years, and we still have a league which is still really the NSL. Our A-league team lost 2-0 to Kuwait just like our NSL team used to lose to New Zealand, and i remember drawing with tahiti. Lets face it aussie's love succes, i.e AFL, Cricket, NRL. Have you noticed why the wallabies are so unpopular? They lack quality just like the A-League and people here know the better players, and leagues are overseas. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| care to elaborate? You obviously know what you are talking about. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| not just struggling its an A Grade JOKE! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| a lot of people like afl and soccer,the crowds will pick up now the football has finished[it happens every year]the bogans will always go to league in average numbers. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sounds like those 2 ppl were doing their impersonations of those 2 old geezers from the muppets btw :P is a smiley representing poking the tongue out which suggests that a person is joking - or tongue in cheek. and I said that cos I didn't know what you or your freidn were saying but from what u are saying they were being jerks. |
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| To answer your question my friend was simply shouting out encouragement to the players such as "go Roar' or clapping a good move. The same two people told others to 'keep bloody quiet' at Suncorp on Sunday afternoon, so it was not a one of episode. I think enough of this bickering and sniping has taken place now. How about we get back to original thread of A-League sruggling and come up with some ideas as to why this is. Who knows Mr. Lowey or another FFA official might see the comments and see some sense in them. |
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| guess it depends on what you or your friend were saying..... I guess yelling "holding the ball" will get you told to shut up :P |
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| Okay, if you want to be picky its two reasons. If you find the matches so boring why do you bother to go? As for the drinking, I have no problem with people drinking at matches providing they do not want to push past me every five minutes to get another drink, causing me to miss a vital moment in the match. Why not stay in the bar and watch the TV there. Better still stay at home and watch the TV, you can drink as much as you like then. To change the subject, can anybody tell me why some people who attend matches tell you to shut up when you cheer your team on. Don't tell me it doesn't happen as this has occured with the people sitting behind me at ALL Roar matches so far this season. This in the season ticket holder area, where you would think everybody would be cheering their heads off. When my friend said something she was told "I come to enjoy the game, not listen to you". Go figure. |
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| I attend for one reason only. To watch the match and hopefully see my team win. This would be two reasons. Moron. And yeah you're right, I'm the only one who drinks at soccer games. Fair suck on the sav, some games are so boring that I need to drink just to get thru them. |
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| Liste you mad derek, most club soccer has finished, or is about to finish, in Sydney. So it wont clash as you said. So far you have provided NIL facts to back up your moronic claim. So go back, try and think of something, then dont even bother saying it because you will be wrong. And for the last time, my name is homage to the greatest fat wrestler of all time, not the world's worst drink. |
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| "Afternoon kick0offs surely clash with local football, meaning players in the local comp have no chance of watching the stars play either." that is a very good point. Glory games were affected heavily in the past cos the game clashed with the amatuer leagues on sundays |
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| Bundy_is_back sounds as if he is probably too pissed to know which code he is watching. I like a drink as much as the next man, but never at matches. I attend for one reason only. To watch the match and hopefully see my team win. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| My point is that many people work on weekends and cannot attend afternoon kick-offs. Okay I agree that AFL (sorry-aerial ping-pong) and NRL get crowds at those times but I believe it is because they have a bigger base to begin with It is stated that at this time of year evenings clash with these other codes. Afternoon kick0offs surely clash with local football, meaning players in the local comp have no chance of watching the stars play either. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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