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| nye - haha so AFL is an international sport then with all the leagues in euope, japan etc... :P | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The flaw in that argument is that the other sports are actually widely played in many more countries. Cricket, for example, is widely played in Nepal, Afghan15tan, the UAE, Argentina, China and most nations of Africa and Western Europe. Cricket just forces nations to play to a certain standard before they take the step into ODI or test cricket. Soccer is played in 200 nations, but think of nations like the Solomon Islands, where the national team consists of the local mechanic and garbo! The 2011 Cricket World cup involved qualifying tournaments consisting of about 40 sides. So Australia only needs to finish in the semi finals to stick to your 10% claim for the socceroos. We have won the last 3, going undefeated in the last 2. When it comes to competing with the best in the world our soccer side is getting much better, but we are a LONG way off winning a world cup. So you have taken the 'elite' in cricket and the entire field in the soccer. Anywho, it doesn't really matter - if it's an Aussie side then I'll back it! I'd love ALL of our teams to be flogging the world. |
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| nyeninch - I being thinking some more about what u said. If u look at it this way: League is a demi-sport like u say - so forget about that. Cricket is popular in about 8 countries. We r ranked 4 now, so we are in top 50% in the world. Union is popular in say, bout 8-10 countries. if we are No.3 in world like u say, then that makes us top 30% at best. Now there are (accordingly to Wiki!) 203 countries in teh world. I reckon football (soccer) is No 1 sport in about 90% of them. But lets say only 80% for arguments sake. Australia is currently ranked No 16 in the world. So 16/160 = TOP 10%! So looking at it this way, the Socceroos r at leaqst at the moment by far the best australian sporting team. |
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| well we ll see just how good the 'roos are over the next months when they play Sth Korea (next Satday) and then teh Netherlands at SFS in October. should be a couple of great games.....can't wait! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The Socceroos are not even close to the best Aussie sports team. Ok, rugby league doesn't count as it is a 3 team demi-sport when it comes to internationals (and in none of those 3 countries is it their #1 footy code!). Looking in isolation, the Aussies lost the Ashes, the Wallabies are last on the tri-nations, the Roos qualified for the WC and beat Ireland, the claim looks valid. But I don't think it is. Cricket has 5 teams at the top of the tree that can beat anyone on their day, we are one of those 5. The Wallabies are coming 3rd in the tri-nations, which by my reckoning, makes us 3 in the world! The Northern teams are poor right now. The Socceroos are NO CHANCE of winning the next world cup and are slim to even make the 1/4 finals. The gap between the top 8 or so in the world and the rest is similar to the cricket, only with more teams in that 'no chance' bracket. We are in the best of the not good enough teams, we need a lot more depth before we can seriously challenge the elite. We have never won a thing in Soccer, and until the 'qualifying is a success' thought process becomes 'we are here to win', we are not in the ballpark. I love where we are going, but we are a long way off the final goal. The Socceroos look good in comparison to the Wallabies and Cricketers because we judge the latter 2 on victory in big tournaments, not victory in friendlies and qualification to tournaments. |
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| yeah, making the top 32 in your sport twice in 8 years is a massive achievement. i agree with you, you just chose the wrong fact to support you. Perhaps 16th in the world, and wins over Ireland, Holland and the real gutsy effort to make said top32. Soccer is building momentum. They were never going to get far if the other teams kept on top... but they have all dropped the bundle... it's Australia FFS, we dont tolerate losing... id rather watch the socceroos (time for a name change too btw) beat iraq 4-0 then watch the wallabis lose by a penalty goal to the all blacks. id also rather watch series 1 of The View on repeat for 8 weeks then watch england win the ashes. |
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| i got this off another websit but thought I would share it with you anyway. it is that the afl doesnt really have a national team, the wallabies keep gettin beat and kangaroos have lossed their place in the pecking order. they say socceroos are the most successful national team now...its hard to disagree i think with 2 world cups in a row!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| On your first point, FIFA has the position against non-Australian sides in the A-League, particularly as they are in a different federation -- this will become a greater issue if Wellington were to land one of the two places for the Asia Champions League! Your second point is a very valid one, but hopefully the State Leagues can accommodate this in the name of betterment of the game! Another issue to be addressed is the suitability of stadia used by the State League teams gaining promotion! |
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| c_gys - I see where u are comming from but .. 1. how does this affect Wellington? would NZ being a Oceanie Confederation nation be able to run its legs with an Asian Confederation nation? 2. if for example adelaide finish last and get demoted and a qld team wins the inter-state league competition this will mean that the QLD league has one less team and the SA league has an extra team in it ... will this not cause some issues with scheduling etc....? |
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| At the end-of-year a competition between the top state divisional champions held with the winner and probably runner-up gaining promotion into the A-League competition. This is necessary to minimise the travel costs for the predominantly amateur state leagues and is the point of difference with the UK structure. The issue of rich clubs hoarding the best players is only genuine when you move into an era with no salary cap. I think the salary cap level should probably be increased, but as long as there is one, then it tends to be a leveller. This would particularly be necessary for promotion teams without a rich benefactor. Football (of the round ball variety) is the dominant code in numbers of players up to about Age 12 -- this is where the code must concentrate its efforts to minimise leakage to the other 3 codes! |
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| As I've said before, promotion/relegation comps DON'T WORK. They were fine when they were first created - look at England. Before the professional era every team was represented by people that lived and worked in the city where the club was based. So, naturally, it was possible for a generation of talented footballers to grow up in an area and take the side to the top, regardless of where they started. Everyone, in effect, was equal. Now, however, players play for the side with the money to pay them. So a second or third division side simply cannot compete with a top team - they don't have the money for players, without the players they have less crowd support, less sponsors and less chance of buying the players they need! So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In Australia, with 4 professional codes of football and just 20 million people, expanding beyond 16 or so teams is just plain dumb! The comp will not be able to afford it and the playing depth will not be good enough to keep the games at a decent level (which will stop a lot of the better players from staying/returning). I agree with the theory that strength starts at the under 7s, but I think get the state leagues strong so that the players they produce are capable of a step into the A-league. |
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| top 2 state leagues ... how is that determined in a national comp. ? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| What is most needed is a plan which will improve the standard of the whole of football from Under-7s to A-League and the National Team. The normal accepted framework is for the senior echelons of the game to be structured in Divisions with promotion & relegation to underpin quality for the A-League & National Team. We should start consideration of this structure once the A-League gets to 12 teams, and should not allow the A-League to expand beyond 16 teams. The various state leagues would be the logical feeders for promotion - relegation, with the bottom 2 teams of a 12-team A-League relegated to their respective state league, with the top 2 state league teams to win promotion into the A-League! |
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| Hahaha chucker. No, Tas Utd and the Tassie AFL team are the two sides the state wants - Tas Utd is a dead cert to come in, it's just a matter of when. And Basketball isn't even a sport! |
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| Yeah yeah Lets put an AFL, NBA( lets relocate the LA Lakers) , A-League, EPL, NRL ,ESL , US baseball team to the sprawling metropolis of Launceston . |
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| Bring back the Gong! Great team with a proud history and a good asupport base | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i agree im from melbourne and a big melbourne victory fan states like yours are untaped expantion and spreading the game around the country is important even of any league i support the tassie bid and your right wellington shouldnt be there nz is not part of our confederation new zealand knights should have been replaced with another team from australia there just there to make the ten | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| thats because they have so many teams over there they have to give them a chance alot of support for teams over there even second division teams i know some of them go the way of the dodo bird so many people over thereits only in england that you have only 2 clubs doing well especialy manu its getting boring them winning all the time if there good not much you can do about that i know about the foreign players but thats up to the poms to improve there game but you are right there should be no relegation here because we have a small population and great popilarity mostly for teams in the big leagues and the a-league is only starting how can you have relegation with only 8 teams the league needs to grow and 1st its grown the support is going to be around those teams and like i said earlier where a small population popularity centers around the teams we have | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Emirati sheikh linked to Tasmania United's A-League bid By Paul Carter March 16, 2009 A sheikh from the oil-rich Arab Emirate of Dubai has been linked to Tasmania's bid for an A-League team. It's a perfect fit, according to Tasmania United FC bid boss John McGirr. The as yet un-named international man of mystery could be to Tasmania United FC what Roman Abramovich is to Chelsea, the bid boss says. McGirr let slip about the sheikh at a news conference in Hobart to announce the Tasmanian government's $40,000 contribution to a feasibility study. However he tantalisingly refused to reveal his identity, until later this week, leaving Tasmanian football fans wondering about the identity of this hotels and the hospitality industry tyc00n . McGirr said the serious football fan owns several teams in Africa, has owned a team in Dubai, and could be interested in adding Tasmania to his global football empire. The mystery sheikh is being courted as a major sponsor of Tasmania United FC joining a 12-team competition in 2010/11. "Our director of football Ken Morton is, as we speak, negotiating with a businessman in Dubai who is very, very keen to come on board," McGirr told reporters. McGirr said the sheikh could become the sole owner of the club: "Just like (Roman) Abramovich at Chelsea." The cost of being Tasmania's Abramovich is $6 million over three years. Other revenue streams make up the $7.5 million per year cost of running the team which, it's been suggested, could play in front of a large, covered grandstand across an end of Bellerive Oval. Gold Coast and North Queensland teams join the A-League next season, making a 10-team competition. McGirr said the 11th licence has gone to a Melbourne bid. Tasmania United FC is up against bids from Sydney, Wollongong and Canberra for the 12th A-League licence. |
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| I agree with you wholeheartedly. Wollongong should have stand-alone teams in both Rugby League and Football. WIN Stadium is on the verge of having a $30 million stadium approved for the western side of the ground making it a very attractive place indeed for the future South Coast A-League bid. I have reservations about a team from North Queensland being a success in the A-League but it's worth giving them a go; as well as Canberra and Tasmania. I think 2nd teams from Melbourne and Sydney are possible but perhaps a little too early yet. Regarding Rugby League and Wollongong, I've often heard people say that St. George were just claiming back lost territory when they merged with Illawarra. 40 years ago that might have been the case but I don't know what real Dragons and Illawarra supporters feel about that statement these days. I think St.George fans would like to see 11 home games a year back at their new revamped Kogarah base and Illawarra back as a stand-alone team. With the current economic crisis heading in who knows what direction and the moronic State Government taxing pokies to the hilt, those desires might have to be put on hold for a while unfortunately. |
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| Should not the tradition and history of football in Wollongong be taken into account? It's had strong support for decades. Why include Newcastle and not Wollongong? they are fairly similiar cities in many respects. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| You can make whatever intellectual statements like about A league and AFL but league supporters in Sydney and Queensland still prefer their sport. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| seem to remember some rugby League clubs being forced or perhaps I could say "bribed" with cash incentives to merge or be absorbed by a stronger entity because the competition became too big. Namely Balmain and Illawarra. Clubs like North Sydney and Newtown were unceremoniously dumped all together. And dumped where? Unfortunately there was no 2nd Division to take the falls. And now there's interest from Perth, Wellinton (NZ) and the Central Coast to join the NRL. Who needs a 2nd Division? Yeah right. === They were forced out because the NRL had 20 clubs and the money/talent couldn't be spread that thinly in a viable competition. The North Sydney Bears, Newtown Jets, Balmain Tigers and Western Suburbs Magpies all still exist within the NSWRL. Instead of a promotion/relegation system, these clubs were able to 'survive' by playing in a lower level competition. Much cheaper to participate in and therefore possible for them to do so. 2 divisions is just a way to have 24 or more teams where they currently have 16. It still costs the same to run a side that is in Div 2 as it would in Div 1 - especially with a salary capped competition. We can't afford that many teams and it won't ever happen. |
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| Ken Arthuson agrees! Well, that makes me feel a whole lot better about my stance, that bloke nearly killed rugby league. Yes, most top soccer leagues in the world use the system - but most top soccer leagues are dominated by a couple of teams. Relegated teams rarely get back into the top flight and challenge for a title. Outside of soccer most leagues in most sports avoid this system - for very good reason! |
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| There could easily be 12 or more clubs in each division if a 1st and 2nd Division were implemented. Australia is a 4 code country? Apart from the murmur at International level, Rugby Union is little more than a whimper so count them out. It's only really the AFL, NRL and A-League. I seem to remember some rugby League clubs being forced or perhaps I could say "bribed" with cash incentives to merge or be absorbed by a stronger entity because the competition became too big. Namely Balmain and Illawarra. Clubs like North Sydney and Newtown were unceremoniously dumped all together. And dumped where? Unfortunately there was no 2nd Division to take the falls. And now there's interest from Perth, Wellinton (NZ) and the Central Coast to join the NRL. Who needs a 2nd Division? Yeah right. Same with AFL. Fitzroy - well what happened to them.. Right now Gold Coast and perhaps a 2nd Sydney team are interested as well as Tasmania and Canberra. What do you do with the likes of Melbourne, Richmond, etc? Merge them? Dump them? Maybe even force them to relocate to an unwilling area. Did I hear that there are a hard core of South Melbourne fans in Melbourne that still refer to their beloved as The Swans and NOT Sydney. As far as I'm concerned, a 2nd Division solves all those issues. And surprisingly, the old supremo of Manly Rugby League Club, Ken Arthurson, agrees. |
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