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| I dont think any one even mentioned the Boks when talking about the rule changes and the entertainment value of the game. iuan,I know your team won mate.We all do.Please don't think discussion of the game rules only refer to your team. |
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| luan, I hope you didn't interpret my post as knocking your team. Read my posts on any number of threads on these boards and you'll see I have nothing but praise for the Boks, worthy world number 1. That doesn't mean I won't continually look for improvements to the game. A little mentioned factor in the game today is defence. I recently spent a golf weekend with a group of mates who all played rugby at various levels (we are in our 50's now) and one guy, an ex wallaby, commented that the defence was way better today. He said 'we never tackled like these guys, any of us'. Defence, both tackling ability and defence org@rn1sation, are now so good they have changed the shape of the game, and the rules need to respond. He also mused that defence was so important in a player's armoury today, that some of the greats from earlier times may not have got a run in a S14 side today. Two good examples would be Mark Ella, who was only a grabber, and Campese, who really took no part in defence at all! How much less colour would the game have had without the likes of them? Froggy |
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| Ha ha, was that when NZ beat south africa last lol just kidding:) South Africa probably lost 50-0 sad times!!! Yeah Mark that might not be a bad idea i understand what Hnery was getting at I just didnt appreciate the previous posters negative comments on a team that has dominated in every area of the game for the first time in history:) I think test match rugby has always been a tight affair! Its not some club game! But even Henry's point is silly (even though the boot and ball technology wasnt the only point he was trying to make) because there is one player that can kick 60m and he has the same boots as everyone else. I dont know im probably the only one that thinks that rugby is great the way it is! If something is done to the points of a kick then something needs to be done to combat discipline! |
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| and... in response to "when last was the try scoring tally in test acceptable to you???" I would say 19th July 2003 LOL |
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| Hey Luan I think the point that Henry was trying to get across is the fact that boot and ball technology has taken the game to the point where kicking long range goals is becoming too easy. My Solution would be: Make the Penalties 1 point however, play continues with a free kick awarded on the same spot that the kick was taken from. That way teams cant afford to just infringe to stop a teams momentum as there is nothing to gain from infringing but giving a point away and starting again. It also puts us in the position we're the game becomes about scoring tries not accumulating points from penalties. I would also stop the cl0ck for all kicks at goal. What do you think? |
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| If there is not enough tries then please advise when last there were enough tries! Please remember its test match rugby against the three top teams in the world! I would like to know when last was the try scoring tally in test acceptable to you??? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I agree with that as well! What about one point being deducted each time there is negative play with in the oppositions half and a scrum rewarded to the attacking team. You would still the count the tries you scored in the game for the purpose of bonus points. So you could score 8 tries and the other team 7 tries and you make 8 fauls in the game and you end up loosing. This is not realistic but thought i would mention it anyhow! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ha ha ha!!! some of you are hurt by loosing the tri nations! We all play to the same rules you can drop kick and go for penalties too, oh thats right you will rather loose the game than go for points! The Wals were out to prove that they want to score tries which is fine and anyone can respect that! But when you there has only been one try scored in the whole game surely that tells you it might not happen again especially in the last 2mins! The moment im talking about is when Aus were on attack against NZ and in the 19-18 game in Sydney. Australia kicked 6 penalties in that game all they needed was a drop goal and they just had to set it up! But they didnt and thats why they only won one game! The game they won was because they took the opportunities and South Africa didnt try and rob them of those! I think yellow cards dont work it just ruins the game because its an uneven battle for 10min but its the rules! I agree rucking should be reintroduced. I think its really sad that people start complaining about a teams strategy to win. South Africa scored 10 tries aus and nz only scored 9 and 8 respectively. The Australia vs New Zealand game in sydney was the worst game ever! So please dont start crying about SA's game plan. You are a bunch of sore loosers we won in every department, more tries, better discipline, better kicking, bonus point for tries! In conclusion this is rugby its more technical than any other code and each players in each position brings something to the table thats different to other codes! If you dont like it then watch league or AFL. This is rugby and the fact that so much can happen in one game is what makes it entertaining. I dont mind if any tries get scored rugby was never made to be a try fest thats why league started. Watch league if you dont like rugby! Yeah granted somethings need to be changed for example negative play. But nothing is stopping you from enjoying a different code!!!!!! |
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| I like your suggestion of scrumming down for a dead-ball missed kick, for the reaosns you present. Mark L |
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| Totally agree Mark, what happened to sending players to the bin for negative play. I think if you miss a penalty kick and it goes dead from outside the oppositons 22....a scrum should be held from where the kick was taken. That will put a bit of pressure on the kicker knowing that if he misses he will piggy back the other team up the feild...leave the points as it is i don't see the problem with penalising people for negative play. |
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| I'd say that the principal argument for keeping it at 3 is to - to be bloody obvious - penalize *negative play*. The problem isn't that Carter, Steyn, Wilkinson and a dozen others can shoot the lights out, it is that the poorly skilled or motivated players are playing a percentage (that they will not be caught; that the kicker will fluff it; that giving away 3 is better than 5 and a high probability of 7). Master_of_none bemoans the "amateur" attitude of administrators. I disagree: we should regret the professional attitude of the modern game - "winning is the only thing". Evidence for 3 points being okay? That was the penalty when Big Jonah and Chrsitian Cullen were running all over the field. (Forgive the K1 bias in example: substitute your own favorites). Solution: bring back rucking - and I wouldn't disagree with faster use of the yellow card, either, for professional fouls. Mark L |
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| It's bloody obvious how to fix the game, but too many rugby administrators still have the amateur mindset. The entertainment value of the game is not a consideration for them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Agree sprouster. The trouble with the points available for penalty is that, if you have the dominant forward pack, running the ball through the hands of the backs is simply not worth the risk. If on attack, you will get a penalty, just by virtue of pressure and the lottery that is the rules at the breakdown, and it usually has nothing to do with 'cheating' as an earlier poster stated. The yellow card was brought in specifically to stop the deliberate penalty, it should be used. Watching big forwards pick and drive all day and then some tool slot a penalty might be fun if you are on the field and in the tight five, but it will drive the public away from our great game. I thought rugby was meant to be the running game? Froggy |
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| Also drop goal should be worth 1 point. They add nothing to the game and are used by uninspiring teams that can't score tries |
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| I think penalties should be worth 2 points only. If I want to see a ball kicked thru goals I'll watch AFL. Although I agree that teams will infringe more and because of this yellow cards could be used more readily.Less players on the field mean more oppurtunities to run the ball. I think what Henry's frustrated about(and so am I) is the lack of tries and the reliance on some prik to slot goals. I like seeing tries scored and running rugby and not a penalty shoot out. |
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| taking away the attacking teams opportunities when the attacking team is still on the other side of half way give me a break it is because of rugbys inability to adapt and remove its head from its own orifice that it is falling behind every other code of football | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ditto,I think he is having trouble tightening up the discipline . I am an allblack supporter but I just don` t like the coach. Vic |
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| Ditto,I think he is having trouble tightening up the discipline . I am an allblack supporter but I just don` t like the coach. Vic |
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| In a recent article, coach Henry has said the penalty kick needs to be changed to 1 point. Because its making the game unattractive!! With all due respect Mr. Henry i think you are a tool and to make a penalty kick worth one point will only encourage offenders to keep giving away penalties! Thats what penalties are they are there because the attacking team's opportunity is being ruined by foul play, offsides, slowing down ball , etc. Thats why we have a penalty kick worth 3 points so that you learn not to do cheat and play according to the rules of the game! If anything a penalty kick should be worth 5 points because you preventing your opposition to attack! Thats my opinion, whats yours? |
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