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| I disagree Gale, it is definitely a specialist position, or at least, it requires a particular set of specialist skills. That someone who plays in another position has these skills doesn't discredit that arguement, and a clasic example would be Stephen Larkham. Played his schoolboy footy at scrum half, played 15 for the Brumbies, made his test debut on the wing, but finished up a fine 10. The reason was McQueen could see he had the necessary skill set. My point is, Gits doesn't. Froggy |
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| "I've seen girls play with more heart than Los" well I wouldn't argue with that Froggy you are a wallabies supporter. And I did mention that he didn't get it right all of the time.. |
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| Mark, WC v Aus 2003, I've seen girls play with more heart than Los. When he was good, as I've said, great, but when he was off he was a shocker. Froggy |
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| The All Blacks never lost a bledisloe cup match when Carlos Spencer Started. Thats an amazing stat! He wasn't overated, he just didn't quite pull it off all the time. I think Gits can only play 10, he's a great attacking 12 but he would be in serious trouble with a Ma'a Nonu running at him. |
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| Los was over-rated, but is a class above Cooper. I can't believe you guys could even mention him in the same breath as Gits. There's no doubt Gits has struggled @ 10 v AB and on occasion v Boks. Although I agree he's not a natural 10 an if I had my druthers I'd have a Larkham or Carter, there is simply noone else at the moment. Even Barnes is not fully tested in that role at Wallabies level. This stuff about being a specialist no 10 is also off the mark. Many great 10s played fullback first - where they learn to kick and read the game with a bit more time, as well as hone their defence and timing. Several played at 1st & 2nd 5. So that argument doesn't wash. The fact remains that when Australia's forwards create a solid platform through the COMBINATION of quality set piece and loose ball management, the backline looks good and so does Gits. Forward win matches. IMO we are looking in the wrong place blaming Gits, even tho he often frustrates the he'll outa me. |
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| .... but when Carlos had his confidence up there was none better - he was simply brilliant and love to watch him play on those days. Blessings Mel |
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| A Classic Carlos/Cooper comparison I read on another site. “I like to say that Cooper is a reincarnation of Carlos Spencer, except that where King Carlos was inconsistent from match to match, Cooper seems to be inconsistent from moment to moment within the one match. Quite literally, he can be dazzlingly brilliant one instant and then awful the next.†Did he do enough to get in the squad even at 12 this weekend. By all reports he did so it will be interesting to see if Deans gives him a run on a very big stage. |
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| Not Me, he did some great things but was never a great Allblack. He's 34 and should probably hang up his boots. Hopeless goal kicker which cost us plenty. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ah, King Carlos, the ultimate confidence player. A couple of things come off early, the confidence gets up, and he could completely control a game. there were times when he looked like one of the all time great 10's But rattle him early, a couple of early errors, and he could be absolute rubbish. Interestingly, a very non AB trait for what some regard as a great AB. Froggy |
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| I agree Zedds. Turns out he is not as much of a revoling door as Carlos! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Unfortunately Cooper is also a revolving door in defense and very erratic as a 10, he should be given another shot though and only because Barnes is injured. I can't see him displacing Gits though, Deans has brought into the hype since the beginning and does not seem to want to make the big call. |
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| Froggy,i totally agree...they need to find another 10 for the times when Barnes is injured for another reason also...Ashley Cooper needs to go back at 15,he excelled in that position this year and the Wallabies definitely need him there...O'Connor kicking in last weeks game was pretty poor,short kicks that could not find touch in many ocasions...we don't have anymore a 15 with a huge boot like Lathm was,but Ashley Cooper is not bad at all in that position... so bring Copper on at 10 i say...Beale has to prove first that he learned how to tackle...Deans gave O'Connor plenty of oportunities and chances,he keeps saying that the kid will learn from his mistakes and will only get better,which i agree...but why not give Cooper the same chance? |
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| Quade Cooper's game against Gloucester demonstrates once again something that Deans and the Aus selectors just don't seem to get. Fly half is a specialist position, requiring a specialist set of skills. Being a great ball runner is a bonus, but on it's own does NOT make a fly half. A fly half must have a good kicking game, all types of kicks, good, quick hands and the ability to set up the guys outside him. Great No 10's always make their centres look better than they really are. And most importantly, they must have that natural ability to see everything in front of them, feed it into the mental computer and, in an instant, come out with the right option 9 times out of 10. That you are not a natural 10 doesn't mean you are'nt a good back. Tim Horan is one of my all time favourite Wallaby backs, but the experiment with him at 10 was a disaster, and fortunately those in control at the time were quick to realise it. Mat Giteau is not a 10, simnple as that. He is Australia's best ball runner, yes, he is generally a better footballer than Cooper or Beale, but he is simply not a 10, and playing him there is ruining the entire back line. Try Cooper, Beale, even O'Connor (I understand he has played a fair bit of schoolboy footy at 10) but let's find a geniune 10. There, that's off my chest, now I can relax. Froggy |
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