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| Hi gale, actually no, I wasn't thinking that. The attacking team (at least you would "hope" it was the attacking team) that was disadvantaged by the infringement would get "full" payment, in other words long arm penalty, otherwise the infringing team IS disadvantaged by losing a man, but dependent on what stage of the game it is that might not be a factor, so for the purposes of positive rugby the "attacking" team would always get full advantage. It would lead to more try's being scored because teams would be too scared to employ negative tactics and purposely infringe at the breakdown, knowing that when "they" get the ball, that they too will have all the rights. |
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| Dirty, are you saying issue a Red Card but no penalty shot? If you are, that's an interesting thought. |
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| luan, I read the title and thought "nah, they don't need to be changed from 3 points", that was my first impression. After having a think about it, I can see Henry's point. How about this. Like basketball, rugby should have "personal fouls" and "team fouls". If you get X amount of personal fouls you are sent from the field with no coming back and no man to replace you. This WOULD decrease the amount of infringements that you speak of, but would also go in tandem with addressing the issue of 3 points being too much for a penalty in the modern game, which as Henry has said would encourage more positive play? What do you think? |
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| going on current results allblacks still win by 10 to 15 points comfortable bring it on what will git do | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Speaking of Kicking Freaks. 1980 Queensland Country Schoolboys playing the New Zealand Schools team in Rockhampton. Rain didn't stop the whole game and Grant Fox kicked 11 from 11 from every part of the ground. Oh and that was a leather ball known to triple in weight on contact with water. Not a New Zealand fan but it was an amazing feat to see even when we lost by a 50+ point margin. |
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| Luan The 1 point scenario is cool but my problem is when are the Qld Rugby Union going back to Ballymore? I went every week there was rugby on at Ballymore but now it is at Suncorp I have been once in three seasons, Caxton street is just rubbish when your compare the drinks behind the McClean Stand |
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| seymourvic look at getting family passes. I payed $130 for mine for the bledisloe cup and was 5 rows from the front. We were behind the posts but it doesn't really matter to me...Rugby is rugby!! |
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| mate this is not a analytical essay u meathead. allblacks *** all over aussie and SA. go rokocoko!!!!BOOOM!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I took both of my kids to watch Australia play England in the Rugby League Test at the SFS a couple of years ago for approximately $50 in total. Around about the same time I paid approximately $110, for one adult ticket to watch the Rugby Union Test between Australia and England at ANZ Stadium. There are similar price differentials between club NRL and the Super 14. |
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| Have you guys seen the article on the falling popularity of Rugby in Australia? 2 reasons, Aus performing badly, and the game getting boring to watch for all but the die-hards (of which I am one). Look, it's this simple guys, we get this game back to the running, flowing days of Campese etc and grow the appeal to the general public, or it becomes a sport for the passinate followers only, like mens hockey or something. Now I know the K1's & Saffas are going to say, this is an Aus problem, not ours, but without the marketing dollar provided by the potentially much larger Aus audience, the News Ltd etc will slip off to another sport. Then watch your top players bolt for the NH and the big money!! Froggy |
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| I agree spookie but when people are loosing interest in how the game is or was then something has to change. Unfortunately we are in the minority and so chances are the game will probably change! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Dont change the rules. I liked the rules at the very begining of the rugby carrer. when there was rucking and all this new bull sh1t didnt matter. People fell in love with the game how it was. Not how it could be. Soon if we're not careful we're going to find our scrums how the NRL scrums are... a sad excuse of a scrum. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Also agree you retain advantage if kicking out on free kick. Also agree about the return of rucking. No one got anymore hurt than they do today - just a few souvenirs gouges in the back for being a d1khead at the breakdown! |
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| yeah mate i second that!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| luan, I actually like that idea about kicking out on the full from a short arm penalty.If they can't kick for goal the attacking team still gets into a great position for running the ball and a scrum/line out close to the oppositions line would promote running the ball.Which I think we all agree is the whole point to such rule changes. I think your onto to something there mate.:) |
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| I think that there have been some valid points and if something is going to change then we need to be careful it doesnt become like rugby league! Im with Gale i think the 3 points is good but we need to bring back rucking so that we can get rid of people slowing the ball down. I also think that the elvs were good interms of all the free kicks but the problem is that teams start kicking up and unders for the team to chase because i free kick is not a good enough incentive to attack lets be honest! So what if they make the free kicks so that the team awarded with one can kick it out and retain possension!!?? This way they will set up more tries from the lineout. Or what if the attacking team gets the option of a scrum or lineout where the ball went out! Yes it will change the game a bit but it would definately create more tries without taking away from technology and players ability to kick from 60m out!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I don't even want to comment on your comment Clarkson. Thats just stupid... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| "The idea of the advantage was to keep the refs whistle in his pocket" The play doesn't go 10m, theres no advantage to the team.Unlike league we can't just lie on the ground and surrender. We will get pinned for holding onto the ball...so why should the team that knocked it on initially get a second chance? |
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| Haven't read thread in full, but I still maintain 3pts is fine for penLty AND DG. Henry's point is correct - technology of ball means it can be kicked further. So it's not about Frans Steyn (although he has the longest boot in world rugby), it's about teams giving ball to their field kicker (Steyn, Carter, Barnes etc) with aim of hoiking it upfield 60-70m, finding touch, forcing penalty, scoring points. This fundamentally changes Antipodean style of running ball out of your half because that us a harder, lower percentage option. Add defence (as per Panther's point) and it would appear that potential of scoring a try is very low. But I still maintain that the great teams find new ways of exploiting the situation. No doubt Wallabies & All Blacks will come up with some interesting options in the year ahead... |
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| The answer isnt to make penalties 1 point, the answer to give teams being penalised a real penalty. Giving the attacking team the choice of a free kick or a shot at goal would give teams an opportunity to quickly tap and run maybe catching the depenfending team napping. And I mean a quick tap and go... not this being awarded the free kick touching the ball the ref blowing his whistle staight away to take it again because the defending team hasn't had time to get back in defence. The other thing that gets me about rugby is the refs. The idea of the advantage was to keep the refs whistle in his pocket. They stop the game if there is one knock on by one team then by the other soon after the blow the whistle... If the non affending team retreves the ball again why stop the game.. it could happen twenty times in twenty minutes without a refs whistle it would be a game worth watching. Trys would happen because through phases come mistakes by both team. I may not be right but its some food for thought. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Luan I would disagree that theres only 1 guy who can kick 60m, Dan Carter and Morne are definately up there. He is a freak though Im not taking anything away from him. My concern is'nt with them, I now see a massive improvement at the lower end. Many kickers in our provencial comp now hav a range of 50m. Thats in NZ with typically unfavourable kicking conditions. It use to be that anything around 40m out that wasn't dead in front was a very difficult kick. Now you expect them to hit it, even at club level. This is taking away from the game as much as the messy scrums. |
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| Froggy , mate you could'nt be more than a 110% correct...Our defence has changed the way we play the game and outsiders look in and think well it's so damn boring....I don't want them to keep changing the rules so we can keep up with Rugby league. The only place that affected by the code is Australia and world wide nobody cares. They love it the way it is.We don't get much space to move at the breakdown because the defence is in your face. RL looks like a running game because you get ten metres grace....also most of their passes go 10-20 meters backward losing ground.As far as i'm concerned RL is the very esy to follow but i find it hard to watch | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| and by the way you Goose Jason Robinson scored in the Left hand corner of the feild .....shhhh | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| "so england winning a wc without scoring a try in the finals is entertaining while the technical" Yeah and the Rugby league world cup was such a spectical.....the draw was a farce and it ensured that Australia and NZ made the final...Australia choked!! Now go back to your fibro house and keep cooking up speed!! |
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| I'd keep the points as they are, but with drop goals, if it doesn't go over, then play starts from where the ball was initially kicked. that might make teams think twice about kicking from long range. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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