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| First of all, well done AB's, plenty of pressure at the breakdown, self belief early when things were going pear-shaped, great win. As to the Walla's, it was interesting, I watched it with a group of mates, and at full time we were divided fairly evenly into two camps. The pessimists were disgusted, blown our best chance ever, wilt when the real pressure comes on, don't know how to win, heap of players underperformed etc. The others were far more upbeat. This is a work in progress, we are better than last year, 100% better than 2 years ago, with a fraction more discipline and precisiion it could have been a different result, there is really not much between the Walla's and the AB's now, we are on track but Rome wasn't built in a day. I was with the pessimists last night, bitterly disappointed, but feel a bit more positive today. Provided we can learn from that, we may not win the 3N this year, but may only be a year or 2 from being at the top of the heap. Certainly a number of players underperformed, Baxter back to his old collapsing self (although he did get a bum rap from the ref), Brown (just quiet), Burgess (a great talent, but so inconsistent), Giteau (didn't play badly, but well below recent form), Adam AC (kicking game was right off), O'Conner (just not ready yet). I don't know why, overawed by the occasion maybe, didn't make the lift needed to this level, or just one of those games. Anyway, congrats AB's. Froggy |
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| Dont worry Mel. He probably wont come out of his hole until you get to NZ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| OH and Gale, I am waiting for you to come on and eat your words....... Unfortunately I am five hours away from being on a plane to NZ so I will probably miss it. Blessings Mel |
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| There is a number of "I told you so's" in this game. The only other person that I recall on this board defending Stephen Donald was Gale. He was the pick of the no 10's on the day. He played well because his forwards gave him a good platform. The second was the ABs tight 5. They had received reviews from a number here that had the WALs tight five well ahead. That proved to be the opposite as well. The last one is GH verses DINGO. I think that Deans was outcoached tonight - especially in the substitution department. I would disagree with some of you who are giving the WALs grief. I thought they played well and are an improved side since they last played in NZ. Blessings Mel |
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| Spot on again, Killer. Morty was quiet today. That was due to Smith. Sivi seems to roll the wrong way in the tackle at times. Turned the ball over as a result. Jane was good under the high ball. Handy to have another fullback on a day like today. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I thought the other Smith played well too, even though Barnes made him look silly for that try, he made up for that with his straight running for McCaw to score, the rest of the game his defence was outstanding along with his option taking. He completely nullified Mortlock. He was a constant nuisance at ruck and tackle time, gave away a couple of infringements but played the ref well. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Yes, I agree, Killer. Donald I thought played exceptionally well. Used the high kick well and passed and ran when required. He was ably supported by Cowan and more so, I feel, Weepu, who really took some heat off him in the final stages. Smith (Geo) played well as usual and I thought the forwards were very evenly matched. ABs slightly better at the breakdown and Wallabies at lineouts and most scrums (apart from Jouberts inability to pinpoint scrum collapses). Sharp played very well, too. |
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| I would also like to thank Moore for giving us that six points predicted. Nice one. The good news for the All Blacks is they just got better and better once the players shook off the rust that was obviously bothering them early on. The really and out muscled there way to that win. Oz as always "will learn more from that loss" one of the loosing teams favourite quotes. I expect them to be much harder to beat at home if that wasn't hard enough. Great start to the Trinations and Bledisloe. |
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| Well done GH and Allblacks. It was a tough test and as McCaw graciously said at the end of the day there wasn't much between the teams. The difference for me was the tight five, they played a hell of a game after a terrible start that gifted Australia there opportunities through lineout woes. Congrats to George Smith for his 100 games, he is still a force to be reckoned with and kept Oz in the game. I am openly not a big fan of Donalds but credit where credit due, he played his best game in the black jersy and made better decisions and kicked better than his much vaunted and far more experieneced oponent. Was really surprised at his electric pace on his line breaks. GH tactics were spot on, somehow he picked the Wallabies biggest weakness on the day and that was there complete inability under the high ball, they barely attempted to take any on the full. Also his substitutions were timely and helped to fully dominate the Wallaby forwards at ruck time. Deans biggest mistake was too many sevens wnhen only one can really be effective at the time and since you Have George Smith who is effective for the entire game you only need one back up. Jimmy Cowan gave Burgess another lesson at half back, his box kicking was deadly accurate and his combination with Donald showed signs of improivement. Weepu whom one of the more monocular posters on here labels a "Toad" was a massive handful for the opposition when he came on and GH has nailed it with him as an impact player. Very cool and decisive. Australia had a really bad day with the boot, normally and effective part of there game, the fell short here and it cost them, I think this will be an easy fix for them. Two Dads and Barnes and Smith were a handful for the Allblacks, Barnes try was particularly horrible to watch for an AllBlack supporter but very well executed. |
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| "let them sip there cafe lattes while we drink our VB'S" 1.Latte tastes so much better than VB 2.It's cheaper than VB 3.VB tastes horrible 4.Stop being a cheap @ss and drink a real beer mole |
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| No, I wasn't referring to your post, Dana. I was actually writing my own post at the same time and didn't see yours. Muzz is the gloater. But, hey, every dog has his day. But, Muzz, go ahead....Your time will come and I will be one of the first to remind you. ;) |
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| Mate your kidding,Robbie DEE'S focus is going to create problems for OZ rugby in the future ie - "I told you lot you shoulda picked me over Henry and his merry men" Until the ARU pick a home grown Coach with his heart on VB'S not STEIN-EES we are always going to come up short against the AB'S.Remember he is a cantebury legend and his dream is to one day mentor the mighty AB'S again,also you would never see the mighty Maroons(QLD State of Origin)ask Gus Gould or Tim Sheens to be their Coach - after all us Toads are Fair Dinkum!TEE LOL | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| You got it in one outdoorgriffin - Too many times the coach - of any international team - gets it in the neck for the poor performances of their players!! While we can all agree that the coach has a great deal of input, it is the players who ultimately make the decisions that matter, when they matter ... |
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| Hey undertheposts - You seem - maybe - to have come to the conclusion that I was gloating over the result, pleased, but hardly gloating ... As with any game, the calls by the ref could have gone either way, MAY-be Smith should have helped the Wallabies to a 17-3 scoreline, but I think that same player should also count himself lucky he got to stay on the field to the end of the game after giving away the penalty that saw the ABs go to 22-16. The Wallabies & Springboks go on about having hard and fast fields, and clear skies, but the stats show that since its inception, NZ has won the Tri-Nations 9 times, which must pointy to an ability to win the Away games ... Oz haven't won in NZ since 2001, I guess they expected that to change tonight - |
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| I guess in time the Oz rugby public may come to see Deans as maybe some sort of 'saviour', but how much longer will the ARU put up with poor performances before questioning the decision to hire him in the first place? Fair comment there Dana - but in regards to your comments about deans - Is a poor performance the coaches fault or the players? |
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| One game doesn't make a series. The Abs had a win tonight and well done. They adapted well in the conditions and played the ref nicely. Smart play. The Wallabies, I feel, tried too hard. They were looking the ants pants early, but made some costly blunders. I also felt if the adjudicators called "play on" to the major botch up midway in the first half (George Smith didn't drop it, it came off his head), then a 17 - 3 lead may well have been what the doctor ordered. There really wasn't much in this game, so I wouldn't go mouthing off too soon AB supporters. I know winning the next 3 will be tough, but I feel this team can do it. Burgess and all. They'll learn from the experience. They gotta play the refs better too and know when to stick your hand in and when not to. McCaw is the expert on this. Another point. Why the hell do refs penalise Al Baxter constantly. He is a tighthead prop!! He has a player on either side of him who can control momentum of a scrum. So, why do they penalise him for going "in" with his left shoulder??? The AB loosehead and hooker have the momentum. When the AB hooker strikes, he moves his body in the direction of the ball, which shifts the weight that way. The tighthead prop should be given the benefit of the doubt. But what does Joubert and the Tri refs KNow. Sweet F.A. about that. They are unnecessarily constantly picking on Baxter. F@#$&*G SHENJING BING Joubert!!!!!Wangba dan!!! Finally, I don't think many changes are in order. Maybe Genia for a "run on" roll. That wasn't the best game I've seen Gits play. He'll come back better. If his kicking was on, the result would have been different. The ABs handled the wind better; the general conditions, in fact. When the rain came with 8 minutes to go, they were smiling. It slowed the game down and brought our backline up flatter and into the face of the AB line. Next time, lets hope for clear, skies, firm ground and light winds. Go Wallabies, always proud of ya. We'll be back. |
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| Hey - You may not care for a NZer's viewpoint, but if it's all the same I'll offer it anyway - From where I sit, a number of players - Wallabies - under-performed tonight, a couple of good breaks but on the whole the inside backs looked too eager to get rid of the ball with no obvious direction or plan in mind ... I'm not impressed with the desire so many players have nowadays to kick, seemingly for no other reason than they have no other ideas. When the ABs have such talented players who hardly see the ball it's no wonder so few tries in international rugby are being scored by the wingers. The same equally applies to the Wallabies - I guess in time the Oz rugby public may come to see Deans as maybe some sort of 'saviour', but how much longer will the ARU put up with poor performances before questioning the decision to hire him in the first place? Overall, the old cliche applies, we'll take an ugly win over a pretty loss ... Just ask Mortlock. |
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| Well said vismyr Couldn't agree more. bring on the return test in Oz - whole new ball game. Next game - next set of match-ups 2nd Bledisloe test is anyone's at this point (they are always good contests!) Muzz |
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| 'Can anyone tell me why the hell Burgess was even in the Wallabies team?" You'd have to ask the other Ockers on this board -- someone from Perth had rated the NZ-AUS player match ups (and obviously wears gold coloured glasses) had ridiculously rated Burgess "A" over Cowan or Weepu. Just on kicking game alone both the kiwis have the wood on the convict. Congrats to the All Blacks for digging in deep and really showing alot of character and condolences to the Wallabies -- this loss must really hurt. But really enjoyed the game and look forward to the return venue next month. |
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| Yeah, fair call but I think we are on the same wave length that Deans could well have lost the Test for us with his substitutions ... or lack of them. Burgess should have gone for an early shower and why not yank Baxter as well whether it is his fault or not ... |
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| wither....explanation is simple....we have nothing better at the moment...plus...he is a great player on his day..as tsprouster put it...look at the Waratahs vs Blues game in Auckland few months ago...he was fantastic...unfortunately he is one of the most inconsistent players there is...great player today,totally s..h.i.t tomorrow,and so on... but i expect,especially after tonight's performance that Genial will be given the chance to start in 3 weeks time,experience or no experience...i hope at least... again i have to say...totally unimpressed how Deans manages the substitutions,Henry looks to have the batter of him by far in this matter,had it last year in the last 2 Bledisloe games and again tonight... and tsprouster....not only the tight five need to look at themselves mate...Brown at 6 was very quiet,Mortlock..did he play? Giteau lacked ideas...Barnes really quiet as well,bombed a certain try...most of the team need to have a hard look at themselves... |
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| Yeah he played badly didn't he. I guess deans was concerned about Genia's experience. From the first touch of the ball Burgess faltered |
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| Can anyone tell me why the hell Burgess was even in the Wallabies team? He has been given every opportunity and has made a complete mess of every one that matters. Why Deans didn't pull him earlier I have no idea ... I honestly think it could well have made the difference between winning and losing in such a close game |
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| How can Australian TV have such an idiot as a Rugby TV Host for its channel7 I took offence when he said " To those ordinary Aussies, that means the throat cutting one"... What a joke he is for Australian Rugby which is telecasted world wide......... |
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