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| Mex, Yeah, it was tough but fair having to chew my own words. How you feeling about AB last weekend? LOL! More importantly, how about this week in Durban? |
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| Had Barnes passed to Mortlock, it wouldve been a try.... Funny how the fact that Smith was a mile offside isnt mentioned in the boards here, and the ABs should never have had to defend that 'break' from Barnes |
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| Gale, I enjoyed hearing you eat your words. I thought the WALs played well but weren't quite good enough on the night. All the talk about the ABs having no depth did not come to pass. The guys coming off the bench really played well for the ABs. It will be interesting to see how the ABs go next week in SA. Of course I think that ABs will win. Blessings Mel |
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| interesting reading all the responses to saturday's game.,including media...cant help but get the distinct impression that the Oz media [along with Gale] are blind to the real reason Oz lost ...they got done over in the forwrads for 70 minutes of the game. The constant harping about 'the try that got away' is nonsense thinking...one could easily argue the same about the break Donald made right on half time with 2 abs to pass to and an open line, and he blew it....just like barnes did. Mind you, if the wallabie fwds do gain dominance, then it could be a big score! Cheers, Trampsterdave |
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| Ur post is da shiit man, great use of da engrish | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I was pleased to see Donald running with the ball in hand a few times. He needs to do more of that if the ABs are to have any chance against the Boks. Donald is a big guy with sizzling pace. It's a total waste not to capitalise on those physical gifts. The coaches need to encourage the likes of Donald, Nonu, and Sivivatu to have a go with ball-in-hand. |
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| dont care what ne says abs smashed aussie in the 2nd half 2 da point where aussie had no answers ! go da abs bring on the boks | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| they didn't kick for the corners at every opportunity. And really, those are rugby basics aren't they? And I think all good scrum halves are annoying little buggers...Gregan, Kelleher, January (when he was at his peak)...all a real pain in the *ss for the opposing team. Great summary Panther! |
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| Cimugel, That post is pure (XXXX) Gold...spot on. I think a few of the other Aussies on this board are still hurting by the loss and don't have the clarity that you have attained. I totally agree with your last sentiment -- I've always felt the true test for the All Blacks is the next fortnight. Last year the 'Boks were able to split the series in New Zealand and I'm hoping we can do the same. We've got a great record winning in South Africa (Newlands last year and at Kings Park the year before that etc.), but with key players still out I'm only 50/50 at the moment. The Lions showed clearly how to beat the 'Boks (and they certainly lost their composure as the series on), so I have no doubt that Henry and Co. will be studying those games as I type this. But South Africa did win the Lions series, so the true measure this year has got to be against them. Just thank goodness we don't have South African refs like in the old days...LOL! Galeforceperth, You're post makes no sense -- how does a team deserve a win, but not be good enough to win? LOL kiillerwhale, Great post -- those points you make are exactly the reason why the whole "we lost the game" argument doesn't hold water. Back when i used to play we always stood by the adage that "you can only play as well as the other team lets you" and in the second half the All Blacks didn't let the Aussies over the advantage line or give them room to move like the did in the first 20 minutes. Besides, the same thing happened in the 3rd game last year -- Wallabies were up 17-7 for 60 minutes and lost. They were leading by 10 points in this game too, and also lost. Is there a pattern emerging? Tsprouter, the convict joke is always meant in good spirits and just a fun little dig, similar to the sheep jokes you fellas like to make about us, so no hard feelings I hope. And you bring up some very valid points in your post...it did seem that the Wallabies tactics weren't very sound and I couldn't believe that t ... |
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| The Wallabies were favourites and they choked on the night. The All Blacks had the self-belief to come back from a deficit and win the game. Summation - The better team won on the night and besides the bad calls by the ref against the Wallabies, there were three forward passes by the wallabies that were let go. Thankfully they didn’t convert into points. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Gale...we lost the game because for the last 62 mins of the game the AB's were better,as simple as that...and seems to become a trait when playing the AB's,to start great and to slowly die in the process....and for the last 3 games,as much as i hate to say it,Henry really outsmarted Deans when it comes to substitutions...got the right people on at the very right time.... somebody here was wondering why Burgess is picked on as the weak link...kicks in full,indecision from the first minute to the 75th minute when he was finally off,passes around the ankles or half meter above the head(Giteau's kick charged down after one of those passes)...and Deans shows faith in his blunders until was all too late...what he hoped Genia will do in 4 minutes? and..where is Ryan Cross?is he injured?cause Mortlock i don't think was on the field much last night...and also...we had Waugh on the bench,as Deans put it in the days before the game...will be ferocious at the breakdown,we gotta make sure we can really compete in that area of the game,that is why we have 2 specialist no 7 on the bench...we got killed at the breakdown in the last 10-20 minutes...why was Waugh there?to give ferocious looks to the AB players from the bench where he was sitting? i think the biggest problem is that the press,the fans,all of us here in Australia read too much in the Wallabies wins over the Barbarians,Italy and France and too much in the poor showing of the AB's against Italy and France...hopefully what happened last night will bring them down to earth and show them they need to be much stronger mentally if they wanna be at the top and beat the best....because the AB's are still the best,at least until sunday morning. |
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| You could easily say that the Allblacks handed them the 10 points on a platter with poor line outs, turnovers and a very rusty defensive pattern, new team, lack of game time blah blah blah. If's buts and maybes don't mean anything. The Allblacks won that game and the Australians Lost end odf story, we also squandered opportunities but because we won we don't have to go there. Donalds break and then terrible pass to Jane when McCaw was steaming up the inside and could have scored under the posts is an excellent example. No credit is given to Muliania for tracking Barnes and nullifying his pass to Smith in the tackle. Morts wouldn't have scored because Woody was ready to pounce, turn him over and then score at the other end. Now that was a missed opportunity. You don't win a game based on a 20 minute effort, the game is 80. |
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| Yeah the AB's got the rub of the green | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Vis, You are wrong. Just as I was with my prediction. I reiterate that Australia lost that game, as many others - including several Kiwi commentators - said. Australia had two badly bombed chances to score definite tries in the first half - but they choked! Barnes made a schoolboy error by not passing and then panicking near the line. And Burgess just had a bad day at the office. His crucial kick out on the full late in 2nd half resulted in pressure back on Wallabies in their own half, followed by Turner inexplicably running a return kick into touch with little pressure near his own line. Only AB try resulted. Had these simple, unforced errors not been made, Wallabies could've gone in to the break 20+ points up. But they didn't. I sure as hell reckon AB would've had they had those opportunities! So mate, I'm happy to cop it on the chin as an Aussie supporter, and congratulate AB on a deserved victory. But I'm not gonna agree with any rubbish that AB were so good that they 'won' the game. Australia were unfortunately mentally feeble which many of us weren't expecting. Regardless of all that (and the dodgy refereeing for both sides) it was a very entertaining match. |
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| your're a good man Timmy...really you are!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| vismyr, enjoyed your post,(except the convict jibe),which annoyed me,but whatever. I do think NZ played well and they could have folded but kept coming back so big ups to them.A win's a win. I was impressed with Donald. With the amount of verbal the guy gets in the press and from the crowd to produce a solid display under immense pressure was really great and he deserves all the accolades. Cowans a little hassling 1/2 back too isn't he,the little bugger. I don't think there were really any standouts for NZ as it was a 15 man effort. As to Australia. I can't help but mentioning Burgess.From the first moment of the game,he took the kick off and hesitated and put every one under pressure.He then continued with that attitude the whole game and i think that contributed to the lack of confidence through the whole team. Al Baxter also has to take some resposibility about his scrum work and hold up the friggin scrum mate. Did Brown play ?can't remember didn't have an impact at all. Same can be said for Sterling and what happened to the kicking game.I know the conditions were tough so why not kick to the corners and go for the line-out.They were doing ok in the line-out so why didn't they try that,why go for goal 40 mtrs out in swirling gusting wind when u could go for a try. Anyway I'm waffling p1ssed off but big enough to congratulate the Kiwi's once again |
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| galeforceperth wrote: "Aus lost the game rather than AB won it." You're the one who posted A, B and E player gradings earlier in this thread, aren't you (and apologies if I've got you mixed up with another one-eyed Ocker..LOL)? If so, that statement is almost as ridiculous as about a half dozen rankings that I don't think anyone but a convict would agree with. Make no mistake: The All Blacks won last nights game by getting the basics right (something they didn't do in the June Internationals and something that the over-rated Baxter and the aforementioned Burgess should take heed off), kicked much better than the players in green and gold, dominated at the breakdown and showed plenty of composure and heart. Don't delude yourself because we weren't able to put you away with a try in the last 10 minutes when we were right on top that you "lost this game". Sure you're hurting because you felt the Wallabies were in with a real chance, but maybe give it a few days before making statements like this. I'm sure the Wallabies don't share you're sentiment...and if they do, then they won't learn a thing from this loss. Moving on, this hard fought win was exactly the type of game the All blacks needed before the mini-tour of South Africa because alot of what they did right was similar to the way the Lions beat the 'Boks in the third game. I'm not convinced they All Blacks will win both games in the next fortnight on current form, but I'm confident of a split series at the moment. Either way, I can't wait:-) |
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| I'm just wondering why Luke Burgess is being highlighted as the weak link. The first half the AB's were'nt competing at the break down which made it easy for Burgess to provide quick ball. Towards the second half the realiased what they were'nt doing right and came back with a vengence. George Smith can't do it all alone...guys the fowards need to povide the protection and platform for the backs to fire | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Forget the dropsy, forget the ref, forget the poor kicking display - If you cant compete at the breakdown you ain't in the game. Last night the AB's stuck to the basics and beats us. Well Done AB's -Particularly the forwards - outstanding effort at the contest. And a big thumbs up to Donald- Had his best game in a black shirt last night -He really stood up. The upside for us is that I genuinely thought our backs look more dangerous and our defence was pretty ferocious. Robbie may have a tinker with a couple of positions in the forwards, but nothing dramatic -The return of Elsom should be all he needs to fire the forwards up a bit more. Like under said, we got beaten at home in poor conditions, by a very committed pack of AB's forwards. We were also very, very unlucky not to have built a bigger margin in the first half. I'll give the AB's 10 start when they hit Sydney. |
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| Yes, there were some positives to come out of this game. The most notable is that despite all the botch ups, the missed kicks, the missed kicks at goal, being at the wrong end of Joubert's pernalty count and playing in unsuitable conditions, we were still only 6 points behind at the end, with still a chance to score and win if we'd made a line break. In recent games, the ABs and Boks would have nailed us in the second half and would have put at least another 20 on us. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jam, Burgess & Deans handed AB that game on a plate. Whereas NZ deserved to win, you shouldn't get too carried away. Aus lost the game rather than AB won it. You nailed it re Genia. Deans should've dragged Burgo at half time: he was having a bad day and it wasn't going to improve. Reason Gits was quiet was the abysmal service he was gettig from burgess, or the poor options Burgess was taking with the ball in hand. Mortlock hardly saw the ball as a result. Hopefully Deans and his men will learn out of this. It was a bad game to lose. |
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| Amazing, after the AllBlacks finished that game they left at 4:30 am the following morning for SA, approx 7 hours after the test. That's got to hurt. Not the best recovery and next weekend they are at altitude. Tough asignment. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Well...what a game! ABs showed some character to hang in there in the first half. It seemed that the longer the game went, the better the ABs were going. Towards the end there, they were really smashing the Wallas forwards backwards in defence. Giteau was quiet(which seems to be the case EVERY time he plays the ABS), Mortlock was nullified, which is very rare against the ABs. Genia is the one that impressed me, his pass is very quick from the ground and through the air. Giteau had a lot more time to make decisions once he came on. I think it is the ABs bench that was the difference though. Every player that came on made an impact - Mealamu, Weepu and Read. |
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| Mex, Killer, Z & all other cuzzies on the thread, I am humbly munching away on my words, which I've been doing since about the 65- minute mark of the match last night. I offer myself up for public humiliation. There was no excuse to lose that test: they had several chances to put AB way and didn't. I thought Deans made a grave error persisting with Burgess who was clearly having a shocker. I understand why he felt reluctant to play Genia because of inexperience, but he was on the bench and he should've shown faith. Hate to admit it, buy Henry & co used their bench much better. Definitely a massively wasted opportunity. Well done to AB - a deserved win. |
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| Ok, now that I've had some sleep and re-hydrated I think it's time I have to defend Robbie as a coach. From what I've seen from the last tests under Deans, he shows a lot of faith in his team. Wether he brought on his replacements on earlier I don't think it would of made a difference. The AB bench on paper had it strengths and it showed when they came on the field. As for Australia they had a few rookies that had not played Tri-nations Rugby so that would of being a huge step up from S14 Rugby. We know when Aust and NZ don their perspective colours they are transformed into relentless crusaders and take no prisoners. I believe Australia gave it their all and had nothing left to give after the final whistle. The pressure from both sides was breath-taking ands exciting to watch however the pressure and counter rucking at the breakdown finally broke the Wallabies. Well played from both sides. For Australia, it's the one that got away.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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