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| Yes you can go way back six years to find an example if you want, the point is they are not "Hopeless" just out of position. Messam and Thompson have big futures they are just green. IMO it was the coaching selections, and Mortlocks intercept that killed us. That with the AB's lacking the Mental strength to move on from the 14 point turn araound. |
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| If I recall Zedds it was that Smith and Waugh combination that put you out of the world cup in Oz. Messam and Thompson aren't in the same league. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Not rubbish Gale it's just a fact. They are not hopeless at all just not specialists in that position. And clearly it showed. Your Smith and Waugh combination has worked occasionaly but failed frequently yet they are not Hopeless. Both would choose 7 over 6 anyday because they are specialists. Smith would choose 7 over 8 as well where he is average at best. Smith is a leader in 7 because that is where he is best simple as that. Messam, Thompson and read are all better sixes than 7's or 8's. In the future that may change but only game time will allow that. |
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| Plus I believe GH was giving them time in those positions to cover further injury possibilities. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Kiwi Cuzzies, What is this rubbish about playing flankers out of position? Are you seriously trying to tell me that your guys are that hopeless that they can't shift from one side to the other? We're not talking about propping here. A good flanker can play either side of the scrum. And I don't believe Messam had never played at 8. Problem was a lack of cohesion and intensity. The guys on the paddock were well and truly capable of winning - in the positions they were assigned. |
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| Mex who was your choice for front row last week? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| "coaching error".... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Gale, I actually think Donald is a good player and don't understand why many give him grief. I also think GH did play players out of position and that hurt him. Adam Thomson is not a number 7 IMO. I don't think he had the best locks or props on the field and I would have given De Melmanche the nod in this test. I think he earned the right to be on the bench of the ABs. In the back we were hurt by players that can play brilliant but have proved to not play well going backwards. If you don't go forwards and you can't put your best forwards on the park to insure that, then you don't put backs on the park that are suspect in going backwards. I believe that was a coaching era. However, having said that, I think GH is still one of the best in the game and he will right that problem for next week. Blessings Mel |
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| Ado You've obviously got a great rugby pedigree and I your comments are usually more insightful than most. On this one though, it seems you've packed in to one too many scrums! LOL. The big msg here is that NZ don't have the stock of world class players they thought they did. Henry's hand has been forced because he hasn't blooded enough new talent - now he's up against it. The difference between he and Deans IMO is that Dingo is blooding new talent early. Henry appears to have waited a bit too long. Take Donald for instance. Some of the K1s are trashing him. But how much time has he been given to develop as DC's understudy? No, it almost wouldn't matter which team GH picked - they've been caught short. |
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| Demalmance is a rookie, granted a great S14 player. I picked him two years ago as a contender during the NPC. That doesn't mean he is the best for the AB's jersy. The call was right Hore first Mealamu second. Mealamu was outstanding when he came on, his go forward ball created the drive in the forwards that got them back into the game. Demalmance will get his turn not because he is better than the other two but because he is next cab off the rank and gets an opportunity to prove himself. Messam a great 7? He is a great 6 for sure but great 7? And you critisize Henry for playing players out of position, thank god you aren't a coach. Mostly your comments are drivel with the odd bit of insight but only when it comes to the Wallabies and the "Thoughtful" Waratahs. You are worse that a Kiwi supporter, maybe that has something to do with your Kiwi heritage, you make it sound like we are not supposed to loose when we have a bit of a bad run with injuries Ado's "It's easy to be a hero when you've got the best players in the world working for you, but right now the AB's best are benched and the coaching staff has so far demonstrated nothing more than an inability to develop a squad capable of playing AB style rugby- Dominate then penetrate. So much for the magic of rotation". So Rod McQeen was a Cra-p coach then was he? I am glad Australia are playing well at the moment and really look dangerous and good on Deans(the enemy) he settled for Oz who have been on the receiving end during GH's (that terrible coach) tenure. The good news for them is Robby doesn't listen to your insights or he would have had Lote playing the last two games. |
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| Sorry Gale, but surely in test footy when you've got injuries you pick players with a track record of delivering. Eaton, Franks & Tuitavake all should have started. And surely you don't put that many players out of position - Messam played 8, but he's a great 7. Thompson is a 6 not a 7. And dont put Jane, as good a fullback as he is on the wing for his first test. Put a specialist winger in who is at least comfortable there. You might call it hind sight, but I still say Henry blew this test. And I know he is listening because he's already called up DelMamanche. I just hope he has the balls to start him. The AB's lacked their usual agro at the breakdown and this guy has got intensity in spades. |
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| Cmon Ado If he had've picked on form there would've been virtually no experience in the team. You trying to tell you would put a completely green test team on the paddock? Fact is the injury plague left Henry in an almost unwinnable position. And strategically, better to lose a battle now and get some blooded troops on board to try and win the war later. I am however, completely in agreement re Henry. Massively overrated coach, but still facing a tough season with personnel. |
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| Are you joking Gale? If Henry picked on form, Delmamanche would have started ahead of Hore and Mealamu. Tialata and Afoa who are both good scrummagers but are arguably NZ's most immobile forwards wouldn't have got a look in. Ross is not a test locks rear end and two of back row were played out of position. Dont get me started on the backs, they were equally poor. Thank god for old hands like Wood *** and Thorne otherwise last night would have been a pasting. Henry picked out of form and out of position. 8 injuries aside, they could have won that test if they'd put the right team on the park. I have been consistent in my view that Henry is the most over rated coach in world rugby and last night confirmed it yet again. It's easy to be a hero when you've got the best players in the world working for you, but right now the AB's best are benched and the coaching staff has so far demonstrated nothing more than an inability to develop a squad capable of playing AB style rugby- Dominate then penetrate. So much for the magic of rotation. That wasn't the best side the frogs can put on the park either. So to lose at home to them only amplifies the problem Henry has created. I think they'll come back big time next week. But only if Henry looks at his own form before he starts blaming the line up he puts on the park. |
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| I'm with you on both points Dirty. Although I've never been a fan of Henry's and agree with Ado re Deans, the rest of his comments along with many others on these boards is ridiculous. So the All Blacks lost. Big deal. They still had good players in the team - considering who was available. The most important thing here is that they actually suffer from the same malady as everyone else: injuries take their toll. |
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| As for Craig Gower, I thought he looked really good at times, the try he set up on the blind side was great stuff. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| After what GH achieved last year I think to write him off after the first game of the year against a determined French side would be a little premature. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| He picked as dud side and played half the team out of position. So the result serves him right. I reckon most of the posters on this board (me included) could have picked an AB's side to win that game. NZRU must be rueing the day the dingo got away. |
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| Not as nervous as Graham Hemry | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| yeah, he had a few positional problems though but i guess you live and learn. Besides the bad service from the halfback i think a few more games will get him to where he should be. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I thought he went alright. Pretty hard to run the game when your outside backs have wooden hands and lead feet. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| About as nervous as a dog sh1tting razor blades. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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