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| 1. I don't care who you are, but i certainly didn't say you telephone. I surmised that you and that other niff nuff may have been the same. 2. So what if he says he wins everyday. It has nothing to do with me. 3. I am not saying there is no hooking in races. Because there is. But it's very rarely the kind where a sure winner is pulled up for another. It's usually where horses are given quiet ones to set them up for a really day. It just doesn't happen where everyone is in cahoots. That's the point i've trying to make. And if you would take the time to actually read all my posts you would have seen that. Instead of just jumping on a bandwagon at the end. |
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| I was riding work one morning and this bloke was going on about he'd won the day before. I said to him "How come i never hear about when you lose" He said, "You don't want to hear about it when i lose!" And, y'know...he's right. Why would i want to hear that? |
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| And no i don't know him. Everywhere you go you'll come across punters who brag about winning heaps. I like hearing about people winning, but the self-congratulatory garbage can wear a bit thin, but i said as much. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Well that's fair enough. Punters don't win everyday. Fair comment. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No you won't convince me because i grew up with my father as a trainer, and i was a jockey myself for over a decade, and i reckon i know one or two things about the subject matter. As i've said. I haven't heard a plausible or coherent comment from either of you. If, in fact you are different people. |
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| Then why dont the favourites win every time?.Take your pick. deliberately holding them back. tranquilizers. back room deals. dodgy bookies.etc etc. |
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| then allow me to enlighten you, the oldest saying in the book is "racing is a mugs game" that saying came about coz of all the cheating and fixing and corruption in horse racing dating back over 120 years, if that doesnt convince you then nothing will. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I haven't heard one logical arguement from any of you. It's just "racing's corrupt". Full stop. I don't profess to know everything about racing, but on this score i reckon i'm far better informed than you lot. |
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| i am with you kangas, horse racing is the most corrupt, rigged, pre fixed scam on this earth and those who think otherwise are as dumb as a mule. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| So you're trying to tell me that everyone was paid off sufficiently (jockeys and trainers) not only to lose the race, but enough to keep their mouths shut? Come on, give me a break. I will admit some trainers do give horses "quiet" runs until a horse is fully wound up and ready to win, but even this practice is falling by the wayside. It's not often you hear of an old-fashioned sting these days. But this fanciful idea of everyone being in cahoots...mate, the racing fraternity are just not that closely knit. Everyone is out for themselves to try and get a quid. |
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| Sorry, i called you "tigers". My bad. Of course i meant "kangaroos". My apologies. |
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| "The other trainers" are actually doing it far harder then the jockeys. AND they're a tremendously jealous lot. I just CANNOT see a scenario where it would occur. Sorry tigers, you've got no idea. Tell you what though, you've given me the best laugh i've had all week. |
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| What a load of c***. Sorry, i don't believe. Someone's telling porkies. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Well it's strange that when the trainer said that his horse will win that certain race,that the other trainers agreed to let it win !!!!.Wouldnt you think they would prefer their own horse to win!!!..can anyone explain that? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| You're right mcmullen. Also, these days, the cameras don't miss a trick... and nor do the stewards. And all jockeys know, the last thing they want is to havie to front up before the stewards to explain their riding. Australia is considered to have one of the cleanest horse racing in the world. |
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| Lol...I know that's the perception of country racing and jockeys in general, but it just diesn't happen. Most country riders are having a difficult time just getting by. And there's no such thing as an area anymore where only certain riders ride. Jockeys travel everywhwere these days, and they don't travel vast distances just to pull a horse for a "local" jockey. Your idea of racing is about 30 years out-dated. |
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| kangaroo, let us say we use Daren Beadman as an example... or Damien Oliver, or Daren Gauci, or Craig Williams or Glen Boss. Now why on earth would they want to pull a horse? kangaroo, maybe you need to concentrate on Metropolitan meetings rather than picnic meetings where what you suggest is more likely to happen. The penalty for a jockey messing around is swift and severe... just ask Craig Newett when he misled stewards. He was booted out for months on end... But he's learnt his lesson from that and thankfully he's booting home winners for the big trainers. Remember, trainers have horses that are owned by people who want their horses to win. Trainers like David Hayes, Lee Freedman, John Hawkes, Gai Waterhouse, Bart Cummings, John O'Shea, P eter Moody etc haven't got time for shonky jockeys... there is just too much at stake if they're found guilty by stewards of any shonky goings-on! |
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| So jockeys never get together to decide who wins a race!!It happens all the time especially in country races,how corrupt do you want??and pleeeease dont say it never happens because you will lose all credibility.This Topic should be scr@pped and replaced with..Im a wannabe doctor..let me diagnose your symptoms. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| <<<Are you saying that ALL jockeys ride their mounts to the full potential?.they dont hold them back while whipping the sh1t out of them??fair dinkum>>> It's the dream of nearly every jockey to be champion jockey or be up there with the best. This means winning races. If other jockeys see a jockey up to no good, the word is soon out... if the trainer finds out, he will give him a bollocking... the owners will never have him ride for them again. It's like any other field or work. If you build up a good reputation and ride well, you get the mounts. Trust me, 99.99% of the time, trainers put in a lot of effort in the horses in their stables.. horses that owners pay approximately $30,000 per annum to be trained. So trainers need winners to keep attracting owners to the stables, jockeys need to win to keep up the demand for their services and so on and so on. So it just doesn't make sense from a business point of view for these guys to get involved in anything untoward. |
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| "holding them back while whipping the *** out of them" Sorry, kangaroos but you don't have a clue. And so what if old C.B. knew a horse was going to win. What's the big deal? He knew it was going well. What's corrupt about that? The stable knew the horse was going well, and the staff do all the work, why can't they have a bit on? What is wrong with that? Big deal. |
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