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| I think we have the edge with seam and ............ SPIN SPIN SPIN Your new nemisis kip |
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| Credit to the Poms re;Windies win BUT, those boys were playing like they thought the pitch was a Caribbean one not a somewhat typical English one. WE wont make the same mistake. Im not trying to diminish the English achievment, you can only win whats placed in front of you and they did that but that was one of the most unintelligent Test batting displays in quite a while. Couple this with the attitude they showed in the ltd over series in the Windies and Dysons monumental miscalculation and you have evidence of a team that is not exactly exploding with cognitive capabilities. Game day attitude from that lot and game day attitude from a bunch of primed and angry Australians is somewhat different. Id still say advantage us this far out. |
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| Money up front kip. Flogging a dead horse named W/Indies is not momentum building, it is actually false hope. Cheers. |
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| Nev "It will be a good budget to place the stimulus handout with the bookies on Phil Hughes to score the most runs in the Ashes win that we will have over the poms." I think you might get another credit crunch there buddy!!!! England are building momentum ready to peak at the right time Oz are washed out kip |
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| Lol nev. I never said Labor (especially Qld Labor) was any good. When you elect labor blowing money is expected. Shortly we will see the first of the budget cuts to roads, healthcare, education etc of which we are so familiar with Labor govts. As you are know, nev the rest of Qld is #&%*ed until we get an opposition that don't look and act like wet blankets. |
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| loki, good points made and I was just ribbing you as I usually do to get reactions from certain posters. We would not be Aussies if we did not disagree over political parties. It will be a good budget to place the stimulus handout with the bookies on Phil Hughes to score the most runs in the Ashes win that we will have over the poms. |
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| duude You posted this cr@p; Labour govts are almost the opposite. They fund welfare, health, education and roads. Fundamentally labor govts have the philosphy of govt control of spending on public infrastructure, misplaced social consciousness & getting more votes at the expenseof business growth for the creation of jobs at the expense of a surplus. I ask you this, How long has the Labor government been in power in QLD? Is it now 11 years? How long does it take the labor government to build roads to the gulf? Hospitals and Schools have been closed by your labor government up here in the North of QLD. That in itself is a contracdiction is it not? To quote Paul Keating on his opinion of 4WD's - Labor is a P.O.X on our society especially in the Nth QLD areas. Maybe you should bring you car for a drive up here and visit me so we can have a friendly chat while wetting a line. That is if your fancy car doesn't fall apart on the rough gravel roads or gets washed over the creek crossings that do not exist any more thanks to the wet season. But don't you worry we'll arrange for some of the station owners to use a dozer or grader to fix em up if the QLD labor government doesn't sue them for unlawful repairs to the roads. Thats kinder what we do up here just so that the trucks can get through as the QLD Labor government doesn't even care enough to fix the roads but does care enough to try to take legal action against the peole trying to keep things moving up here. You are an absolute winner. |
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| yeah but a lot of ppl got it ... I think it was a waste like most ppl but then again will gladly accept it. it is in my savings account at the moment until I am able to sell my house and build a new one :) but not being a 1st home buyer and my house being out of the targeted 1st home buyer range it is a bit difficult |
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| LOl kingerik - Sure i got it with no direction as to how i spend it. I figure some lapdancer in the goldy is going to get as much stimulus as i will get. Hmmm maybe a little more. The quality of GC lapdancers has dropped off of late. More of them but ... maybe that has got to do with the unemployment figures. Hmmm... it figures actually - is it some sort of disguised welfare payment to single mums and otherwise would-be maternity allowance recipients I guess in the latter case only time (and govt policy) will tell |
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| yeah no probs loki - i want to put forward a partially intelligent approach on behalf of queenslanders prior to teh SOO so that we don't mistakenly change our slogan from ' GO MAROONS ' to ' GO MORONS ' one step at a time, but we'll get there |
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| so I take it you got your stimulus payment then sumdude? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| labor IMHO has used the initial stimulus to partly support the initial impact on consumer confidence, and are proposing to create more jobs via the subsequent stimulus areas of industrial infrastructure growth etc. I contend that consumer confidence in australia was fairly solid. Aust banks were not AS exposed to the subprime and irresponsible lending of the US. The banks are fine. Retail spending is fine. Handing money back to the rednecks is not the best approach. If the govt truly wanted to support consciencious spending they should have provided incentives to good behaviour by the populace. For instance, partial dollar for dollar in a targeted industry. E.g. Partial investor subsidies in the solar or environmentally friendly power/pollution management industries. Partial investor subsidies for ports and roads in return for slighlty greater taxation of these industries for investor ROI. No splurging of the surplus ad hoc and en masse. Rather initial stimulus of infrastructure growth to facilitate economic growth in selected industries and a tariff on these companies to return the money to government. Atm, theh govt is providing the money to morons who will spend it in moronic ways (not on infrastructure) with the benefits going to china, taiwan, etc = no improvement to ports. global growth industries and no long term return on investment to taxpayers except for the tax cuts to the rich that actually already own these industries. |
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| Nice to see someone can put a rational poli sci twist to my sentiment. Cheers dude. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Hi akido, hows tricks mate? Should be a rather ripping contest what? But in all seriousness, the Ashes are what its all about and both will be primed regardless of how recent performances sit. I agree - BRING IT! More importantly though - Kip, can we sweet talk you into to running 1 of your ever so efficient tipping contests for the T20 Cup? You just seem to do what you do so well. What'dya say? |
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| "Agree to disagree and get down to antagonising the poms with the Ashes coming up. Sounds like a much better agenda, does it not?" Yes Loki! Bring it on !!!!!!!!! |
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| Loki is actually speaking quite plainly, but it can be illegible to the illiterate. Unfortunately this is something i have come to accept as the norm living in qld and all. Point being - anyone can make a surplus if they make cuts to social infrastructure such as welfare, health, housing, education and roads. Fundamentally liberal govt have the philosphy of lean govt management and detached social consciousness in these areas in the favour of economic freedom/growth of industry and small business, tax cuts to business owners to provide a surplus. And getting more votes. A surplus that they can use to buffer australians from external economic environments Labour govts are almost the opposite. They fund welfare, health, education and roads. Fundamentally labor govts have the philosphy of govt control of spending on public infrastructure, misplaced social consciousness & getting more votes at the expenseof business growth for the creation of jobs at the expense of a surplus. I personally prefer a mix of the two, but it comes down to effective managemetn of the mandage provided by voters as per their mandate. It is not loki's fault you don't understand the difference between the philosophies and his comments appear as jibber jabber. This is simplistic but this is the aim for you neville. Please keep your ignorance out of rational public arguement |
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| The expression take with one hand to give to the other is an appropriate device for measuring the value of a surplus. Understanding that there was a boom in exports fundamental to the australian economy during the howard era is something else to be understood. Yet another might be the recognition of the possibility that liberal govts are elected based on labour govt fundamentals being more valid during recessive eras, whilst the liberal govt allow for greater growth being more effective during growth eras. The problem is at the cusp. Are lib govts to liberal when it comes to labour markets? And vice versa, is labor govts to labourious for liberal markets? If that last statement makes no sense - consider work choices and the ability of Howards govt to make good on the boom of the mid noughties |
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| Look Nev, ill agree to disagree on this - its the simplest and easiest way without spilling blood. I recognise and accept that the Rudd Govt has hardly been an ideal to this point - IVE NEVER SAID OTHERWISE. My point has been of late that blame is being laid at the feet of the Govt for all our financial woes when not all of it is warranted. They inherited some of it from the Liberals who are intrinsically polar to Labor philosophy and suffered at the feet of the global crisis. Let me point out something without referring to anything you write as 'jibber jabber' - my political views are very left bordering on socialist at times - thats me - accept it or not, i couldnt give the proverbial rural water rats ar//se. I do not think Liberal party philosophy and dogma is productive and beneficial to the mainstream Australian but in saying that i dont necessarily think every policy they implement is detrimental either. Every Govt implements positives and negatives. I respect the issues you feel you have to endure but im not going to debate them at length. As for the 1st part of your post, im not trying to post 'brilliance' nor do i perceive my statements as that but the fact that youll deem them as bullsh!t - even if it is borrowing from a cliche - is somewhat narrow minded in the first place. As for breaking election promises - please dont pretend to suggest that Howard or any other Govt world wide doesnt do so - that just really is grasping at straw. In parting though, the only advice i may offer in a friendly manner is to maybe pay more attention to structure and grammar, because <<<I ask you this is your recent post a classic>>> is really quite lacking in both. Im done on this, move on, ive no inclination to rehash old debates with you after ive done so with others too often in the past. Agree to disagree and get down to antagonising the poms with the Ashes coming up. Sounds like a much better agenda, does it not? |
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| Dear loki, I do not quit understand all of that jibber jabber. I ask you this is your recent post a classic "Can't dazzle him with brilliance so I'll baffle him with bull"? I respect your decision to post on this thread your hatred for the successful Howard and Costello government who brought Australia out of the Hawke and Keating Labor recession that we had to have and took 13 years to recover their debts and bring us to a $65 billion surplus only to have the next labor government in just 18 months send us spiralling into a very questionable amount of billions deficit. So I ask that you forgive me for not suporting a government who has already broken election promises and is spending money that they do not have. Like many posters here I would like to know why construction companies are going bust when the government is splurging them with billions in stimulus to get the economy going? Why are the hospitals, schools and roads infrastructure falling into third world conditions? or can't you be bothered to care about Australians that do not live in your backyard? There are millions of us who live rural areas of this great country and we are being shafted by governments and major companies. Our roads are still dirt and get cut off when the slightest rain falls up here. The state and federal governments can not be bothered to stimulate the infrastructure for a single lane bituman road with concrete pipes or causeways unless we the tax payers who are already taxed to the brink of bankruptsy can raise the 3 million dollars to pay half of the costs. Sh1t if they put in a tarmac road the tourism industry would boom in this region and we would be able to pay the government more money in taxes so that they can fly around the world more often. 747kevin. |
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| <<<Yes I would rather the yanks be in our pockets or to be in the pockets of the yanks over the chinese, french, or middle easterns who are taking over the world with their cheap and nasty slave labour products that break after 2 or 3 uses.>>> Oh how my heart bleeds for those that make statements like that. How about we develop to live out of our own pockets rather than out of anyone elses. As for taking my biased head out my - what was it? 'Chinese ar//se'? Just how, my hypocritical friend, is what i wrote a biased statement? Seems to me that youre willing to draw the noose around the neck of anyone that dare question the actions of a previous regime - or that may have a differing point of view than your own. Howard and his mates were so sycophantic and spineless regarding the septics it was more comical and tragic than any work Shakespeare could muster. Yet for some reason you choose to attempt to deride me by making racially based statements that belittle a differing work ethic than your own. One that makes little sense may i add too. And youve the fu//cking front to allege me as biased!!! Aaaw herro, this is chinese pot corring kettle brack. Im not going to get into another debate with someone that has polar views to mine, your entitled to your views but i will say this - with those views and statements, i respect your rights to have them and make them but i wont ever respect the views themselves. |
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| By: lokikane Yesterday (9:47 pm) Re:Good Budget (PREVIEW) and maybe, just maybe if we hadnt have lived in the Yanks pockets for so long under Howard and co, we wouldnt have fallen so hard when theyre banks and housing market self imploded. loki, pull your biased head out of your chinese ar5e. Yes I would rather the yanks be in our pockets or to be in the pockets of the yanks over the chinese, french, or middle easterns who are taking over the world with their cheap and nasty slave labour products that break after 2 or 3 uses. The writting is on the wall labor governments have sent this country into debt every time they have been in power since the second world war. Just for the record I am not better off under the labor government, I have lost my job thanks to them axing the work place agreement laws that secured my job and the jobs of many others employed in the same industry as what I was. So thanks a billion rudd you DUDD. |
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| chalking up a huge deficit for personal handouts is alway bad economy, esp when people not being rewarded are the ones asked to pay off the debt Private health insurance rebates slashed for income of $120 000 and above. So , a lot of people dump the private health cover and put more load on the public system. Fewer people in the health funds makes the fees more expensive, so more people dump the private cover over the next year. the $2 billion a year saved nationally get eaten up very quickly with the increased costs incurred in the public health system Cut Superannuation rebate/levels. So, to avoid being taxed at higher rates, people will invest in real estate or shares - less cash being saved nationally and more money in speculative investments eg shares, real estate is the end result. Has this government NOT learnt the main lesson of the current global meltdown???? To think people will just keep the money, declare it as income and get taxed at 46.5% is just pure naivety. |
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| I'm pretty sick of the "deficit=bad, surplus=good" school of economics. It reminds me of the sheep in 1984. I'm still hopeful that the billions dedicated to infrastructure in the last stimulus package will become physically evident. The national broadband network seems to be a goer and hopefully there will be more to follow. |
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| By: lokikane Yesterday (10:06 pm) Re:Good Budget (PREVIEW) <<<theyre banks and housing market>>> Oops, sorry.. <their> Sheeit, ive become that which i ridicule. =============== Shood of kept youre spel chequer on |
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| No CGT on main property in the UK. And the equity I held back to cover 12 months mtge payment was probably over generous. As I said, it's a simple model. In the early 90's when there was a property slump, a lot of builders over here bought and lived in a property, spend 12 months renovating it, with no income coming in, and selling it on after a year. No income tax or CGT to pay. |
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