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| These Aus A concept games will be last of their kind anyway. The U23 team takes their place from next year (i think), maybe the year after. |
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| Hi loki, don't knock Townsville mate or I will get my lations to come down to visit you eh brudda. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| That Aus A scorecard is a big disappointment to me. I don't think they should be looking at Voges for Australian selection, but he's the only one to take advantage of a start so far. A big innings from Ferguson, for example, could really put the pressure on Watson. Krejza and Holland both playing - I hope the pitch offers something for them. |
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| <<<But Vogues is on 78 n/o for Aus-A 5/211 against Pak-A being plyed in Townsville. Match stats on cricinfo>>> ------------------------- ------------------------- ---------- They play cricket in Townsville? Hope they use the white ball, the red one would get lost in a sea of similiar coloured necks:) |
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| Nev, I thik Hilfy has been used well actually. He gets the new ball, bowls 6 or 7 overs, gets taken off, then gets regular spells throughout the innings - though, naturally, MJ and Siddle have been given the tail to clean up, a nice reward to the more 'senior' guys. If he wasn't getting the new ball, I'd agree he was used wrong. |
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| Wimpy, I know you were having a laugh, but we both know he has copped a pizzling on these boards. I was just checking the Aus A score too Nev, will be interesting to see how Krejza and Bollinger bowl! Timmy Paine the Keeper, I guess that makes him 3rd in line - given Haddin and Manu are in England. What does this say to Hartley? |
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| I have to admit, it would be nice to have the sense of continuity there for an extended period. If we were to settle on those 3 being the basis of our pace attack for some time it would only produce positives. Positive affirmations from the powers that be can do wonderful things to ones sense of self. And lets face it, a bowler bowling with no self confidence or self belief is a mere liability. And therein lies the rub - while that may be well and good for the pace battery it might also be an indicator that faith will be placed in Hauritz. I hope its not but one just never knows when youre talking about Oz spinners. |
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| I just didn't think it was worth starting a new thread for. I happen to like Hilfy and do consider that he has been underestimated and not used in the best possible way by his Captain or the coach. I guess that they are trying to find the correct combination of bowlers to suit the pitches and grounds against the batsmen etc etc etc. I will repeat myself and say that he has not been used in the best possible way by his captain |
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| Thanks for the update nj85 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Gee Nev bad timing to quote stats! Hahaha | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| It was a wind up Nye. The second hand was obviously Loki's not yours. I'm certainly prepared to give Hilfenhaus the benefit at this stage. Yes, stats rarely tell the whole story but Hilfenhaus hasn't set the world on fire at any point in time thus far. MJ, Siddle, Clark and Hilfenhaus should be the attack for the first test and then we'll see what we see from there without excuses for anyone I hope. |
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| With the duke ball HILFENHAUS will get it swing both ways something that LEE cannot not do.The lad from Tassie should get the new ball along side MJ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I know this has nothing to do with the title of this thread. But Vogues is on 78 n/o for Aus-A 5/211 against Pak-A being plyed in Townsville. Match stats on cricinfo |
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| Loki, at least someone else can think outside bare figures! As the saying goes, there are lies, damn lies and statistics! Stats rarely tell the whole story. Hilfenhaus may have only taken 7 wickets at 50 odd in Sth Africa, but he bowled very well. He troubled all of the SA top order, beat the bat a lot, had a lot of LBW shouts and a few dropped catches off his bowling. His economy rate is excellent, and he and MJ built a lot of pressure with the new ball - MJ just had the experience and confidence behind him to take the scalps. How many times did we see SA on about 6 runs after 8 or 9 overs! (usually 2 down also!). Siddle bowled well in that series too, but his stats were inflated by the lower order scalps he took. That is not an attack on Sids, he impressed the hell out of me on that tour, it's just a fact. IMO, MJ, Siddle, Hilfenhaus is a pace combo that could lead Australia for a number of years - it is up to the selectors to make the right calls! |
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| Clark displayed the intent of the pacemen as he struck Hodd in the throat region with a short ball that flattened the wicketkeeper. The Australian players all showed concern for his welfare but Hodd showed some pluck by batting on and carving out a handy knock. But as impressive as the quicks were, Hauritz was awful as the Sussex batsmen treated his bowling with disdain. He hardly troubled the home side and bowled way too short at times, having 16 runs plundered off one over. Says it all really. |
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| Just going back through the posts.... nye - have no fears regarding Hilfenhaus. Im in complete and total agreement with you about him being an ideal Ashes bowler. Theres been about 3, maybe 4 people on these boards that are willing to give him the time of day - shame really. The guy will hit the pitch hard for long spells, uphill, into the wind all the while doing it at decent pace and with swing. He might not bag huge hauls but the ones he does pick up will more than likely be top orders. Hes the one bowler we have in the attack that should take to the Duke balls without impacting too much on his action and natural length. Let him loose and it'll make the equation oh so much easier. Regardless of the nay sayers on here, the guy has genuine ability and is undervalued and underused. |
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| isc.dawson, In India, against the best players of spin (particularly given that 8 of the wickets came in the first innings) I would take 12-350 any day! He was just very unlucky to come up against an inspired Sehwag...do you know what his figures would have been if you take Sehwag's runs out of the equation? He showed real character to return from that onslaught and grab 12 wickets... I watched Hauritz bowl at Trent Bridge against the Sri Lankans and he was very impressive...so don't judge him on one innings (although he has done himself no favours!). |
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| I agree doggySAS | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Why even worry about Hauritz? He's not a massive spinner of the ball and he's never going to run through a team even on his best day. Katich, Clarke & North can't bowl any worse than him and Katich(who I think has been under used as a bowler by Ponting) & Clarke can cause some damage when conditions are favorable. Play the 4 pace bowlers (minus Lee) and use the part timers. Not ideal but they have boxed themselves into a corner with their bowling selections | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| All the spinners have been treated so poorly by the selectors, that none of them have the confidence needed to cement a place in the side. Hauritz, IMO, is not as good a bowler as any of those mentioned (except White), but the others have been mentally wreaked - Casson to the point of Ian Baker Finch proportions. |
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| Over the past year, the identity of Australia's Ashes tweaker became blurred as Beau Casson, Cameron White, Jason Krejza, and Bryce McGain were all given a go - and then given the boot. So it was that the selectors returned to Hauritz, who seemed to have been on the fringes of Australia squads for several years without making a breakthrough. Indeed, so peripheral was his involvement in the 2003 World Cup that when I stepped into a fast-food joint in Port Elizabeth during the tournament and saw a young chap taking away a large stack of boxed pizzas it took me a while to realise who it was. Now he is no longer Australia's pizza delivery boy, Hauritz needs to nail down his place in the side - but there was little evidence in his initial spell at Hove that he is going to have a major impact in the Test series which starts next month. |
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| My friends know I can pull a root without the use of net 5lut5! You must be one ugly, useless karnt if your friends are putting you onto net dating! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Hauritz bowled 3 no balls in 18 overs. I really don't care to much about that Nev. I'd care even less if he was a decent spin bowler - he's not up to Ashes test match standard, yet he's been in every squad except the women's squad for a loooong while now making orange juice. They should have tested him earlier. CA and the selectors have been sitting on their hands they should have prepared better for this. |
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| I think we are all preaching to ourselves as the converted. I know that I agree with mon and nye on the bowling coach and the practicing in the nets and the position of the front in relation to the crease. I think Hauritz N/Balls were rear foot N/B's as he tends to bowl from the outer part of the width of the pitch. Still he shouldn't be doing it. |
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