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By: lokikane
27/04/2009
9:37 pm

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If thats the Ashes line up, youre looking a bit light at #4:)

By: svenmarcheson
27/04/2009
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Nope, his bowling has been up to scratch. Don't you read the Cricinfo columns?

By: isc.dawson
27/04/2009
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good guess sven, his batting average since the 05 ashes would be about that, and over 35 with the ball too..

By: svenmarcheson
27/04/2009
9:32 pm

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and just to finish the thought... The batsmen would then be

Cook
Vaughan
Strauss
KP
Collingwood
Bell
Prior

By the same token that Flintoff has been moved to number eight, Vaughan should open the batting with Strauss being moved down to number three.

Bell has had a stellar start to the CC season which can't be ignored, so he goes to number 6, which is where he has had his best performances by far.

By: svenmarcheson
27/04/2009
9:29 pm

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That's becasue his batting has fallen away and they insist in playing him at number 6. Without checking the stats, but I guess that his average is around 25 since returning from injurie(s), and that's just not good enough. It also makes for an unbalanced team.

Flintoff needs to play at number 8, with Broad at 9, Anderson at 10 and a spinner at 11. That would be a much better team and would also end up with a better record.

By: wp2k3
27/04/2009
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From Daily Telegraph 26th April
"Iconic as Flintoff appears, even his greatest supporters have to admit that he has flattered to deceive since the 2005 Ashes, a series that looks like marking the apogee of his career. Injuries have not helped, denting his confidence and the mental and physical robustness that comes from a run of consecutive appearances.

But, and this will sound as blasphemy about a cricketer as cherished as him, the figures suggest that England are actually better off without him.

Since that heady day at the Oval almost four years ago, Flintoff has played 22 Tests and been on the losing side 13 times. Over the same period, England have won just three times with him in the side but 10 times from 23 Tests without him, a significant difference. "

By: isc.dawson
27/04/2009
9:14 pm

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I see that Freddy flintoff will miss the home series vs the windies and may miss more after tearing his meniscus in the ipl..
what's that I hear? Is that dr borders phone ringing?
Don't say you weren't told!!!

God I love it when I am right...

By: outdoorgriffin
26/04/2009
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I agree Loki - When I was growing up you went to see the likes of Holding, Marshall Greenidge, Haynes , Dujon Garner,Richards, Lloyd etc.
They were the Calypso Kings.

By: lokikane
26/04/2009
6:46 pm

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I know it's getting off an Ashes track, but the one bowler that'll always stick in my memory of those ive seen in the flesh, was Michael Holding.
Holding for the sheer fluidity and raw pace and Colin Croft for total and unwavering intimidation.
I grew up watching Lillee and he'll always have the respect of any Aussie kid that saw him bowl and was into cricket but for me, it was the visitors that drew me to the games - the West Indians (any of them), Akram, Hadlee, Proctor, Le Roux, Lever, Willis.......you get the point.
The other guy that i always loved to watch bowl was Lenny Pascoe - absolute Oz legend!

By: nevillejohnson85
26/04/2009
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BIG BIRD himself was dangerous with the short ball.

For those who do not remember who Big Bird is, the name Joel Garner sends trmmors down at certain batsmen who were hit in the chops by the short ball deliveries.

I still like Thommo, Lillee, McGrath, Merv (as a character), McDermott, but there are just so many bowlers that I could name and there are more that I am not familiar with as I am too young to remember them.

By: cricketfreak15
26/04/2009
4:42 pm

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"the man captivated me like no other bowler ever has!"

im surprised Dennis Lillee does not come to your mind! he'd be my favourite bowler with marshall,warne and mcgrath not far behind.

By: nevillejohnson85
26/04/2009
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There is no doubt that Glenn McGrath is a special bowler and a champion of a bloke.

By: watermeloneasterhay
26/04/2009
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when mcgrath bowled, i watched with awe!

the man captivated me like no other bowler ever has!

By: watermeloneasterhay
26/04/2009
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hey mate, simon jones was good on his day!
but even though we loved his commitment,he was never going
to be another mcgrath,injury or no injury!

mcgrath is my favourite bowler of all time!warney is up there as well!

but mcgrath takes the biscuit, for his superb aggresive

in your face attitude!

By: kip_johnson26
25/04/2009
8:55 am

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ok isc.d

jones = ashes
jones = ashes
jones = ashes

lol

kip

By: isc.dawson
24/04/2009
2:59 pm

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has simon jones bowled yet?
I know I harp on about this, but seriously, the carp I copped warrants it. He's just had ANOTHER operation, he will spend 6-8 weeks with his feet up and then start all over again. Can we now admit the guy's finished at international level and move on and never mention him in anything to do with the ashes again?

By: nevillejohnson85
24/04/2009
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Phillip Hughes scores a tonne in England.

And they are not happy at the fact that he is getting a good feel for the wickets and grounds and bowling attacks from the home side. OOOHHH look out now the ashes will go spinning away.

By: aikidogeoff
17/04/2009
5:56 pm

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Could i say out loud " I love the Aussie Fannies" !!!!!!!!!

Even tongue in cheek?

Bring on the Ashes to sort out the Fans from the fannies!

Lol!

By: watermeloneasterhay
16/04/2009
12:53 pm

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a game now played by a bunch of fannies!

it looks a long way off ,the game i was brought up on!

By: watermeloneasterhay
16/04/2009
11:44 am

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would you see that commitment in todays game nyenich!

booney must laugh his nuts off, at the way the game has

gone adrift so much!

By: nyeninch
16/04/2009
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We need another Boony in the side, but they broke the mould I think!

I remember him getting smacked in the jaw by a bouncer from, I think, Patrick Patterson in the Windies in 1991. He got stitched on the field and went on to make a century against one of the most feared pace attacks the world has seen!

By: watermeloneasterhay
16/04/2009
10:12 am

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they don't make cricketer's like booney anymore

the ultimate man's man,no matter where you are from booney

was one hard nosed b,stard , and a living legend to me!

By: svenmarcheson
15/04/2009
6:48 pm

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Where would you wanna go camping/fishing/drinking/ hunting, Neville..?

By: kip_johnson26
15/04/2009
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kip and neville are now friends

kip

xxxx

PS camping around OZ sounds good - one day!

By: nevillejohnson85
15/04/2009
6:46 pm

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wp,

Far from it I am 5th generation Aussie, 90% of my ancestors are of Scottish origin before they immigrated here. But it is good fun taking the mickey, you know healthy rivalry and all that.
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