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| humiliated? dickman, you are as your name suggests... And I think you'll find South Africa managed to beat england in england in similarly 'humiliating' fashion with the 'great' flintoff in the side.. |
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| in fact if Aus had someone like Flintoff leading them, they might not have been humiliated by RSA the way they have been in this series | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I agree..Flintoff could be a huge assett to the Aus cricket team | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thats right... blame Warney..... SHANE Warne has been blamed for the public feud between England captain Kevin Pietersen and coach Peter Moores. Former England captain Graham Gooch has suggested that time Pietersen spent playing with Warne may have influenced his thinking towards the coach's training methods. The Pietersen-Moores spat is threatening to derail England's Ashes campaign six months out from Australia's arrival on tour. It seems disagreement over training methods and a personality or ego clash are at the heart of the problem between the pair |
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| True, Yuvraj's test carrer has been extremely short. I think he had a handful of test about thre years ago, was then discarded and worked himself back into the test arena through the ODI squad. Not such a bad carrer path for some other players IMO. Yuvraj Singh made a big deal out of that over when he hit 6 sixes off Stuart Broad in the 20/20 world cup earlier this year. |
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| sven are you talking tests or odi's? He's only got 6 test wickets. Also I think you may be thinking of r.p. singh who opened in 2007, he took 5/57 at lords, yuvraj has always bowled offie pies to my memory. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I don't want to worry people unduly but following Adil Rashid is another Yorkshire spin gem emerging. Watch out for Azeem Rafiq - off spinner now in the England under 19 team! kip |
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| Yuvraj started as an allrounder and was even one of the front-line bowlers during India's tour to England in 2007. There he bowled the famous last over of which Mascarenhas plundered 5 sixes. Interestingly, back then he was still a seamer but has now adopted off-spin. So he is willing to work on his bowling and try something new. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i don't consider yuvraj an allrounder, otherwise guys like gayle, sehwag, etc can claim that status too. They're just batsmen who are handy bowlers. I agreed with KP when he suggested Yuvraj bowls pies, but they're pies that seem to get wickets. The west indies series' could also see flintoff drop further down the list if Dwayne Bravo has a big one and flintoff struggles. |
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| I guess that depends on where you would want to play your allrounder. 6 or 8? Kallis and Yuvraj Singh at 6 would be great, whereas Flintoff or Vettori at 8 would be better options. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| eh? mip, where did I say that? I merely said he is no longer the shining light he was nearly 4 years ago at the peak of his powers. To expect him to play as he did then is foolish, much the same as for us to expect mitchell Johnson to take 8-for every week. 2002-2005 was Freddie's zenith, but since then he has come back to the ranks of 'good allrounder'. He has an unusually large frame, the strain that frame puts on his connective tissues every single tim he runs in to bowl is far greater than that of your average bowler. I'll draw a parallel for you. Mark Phillipousis. The sheer size of the man meant that if he didn't keep well on top of his rehab and strength and conditioning his body would collapse quicker than a sandcastle in a flood. Flintoff is the same. Since his debut he has missed a lot of time. Yes his averages are good, 32 and 32, but after the ashes in 2005 those figures were 47 with the bat and 28 with the ball, meaning he has slipped in both departments. His bowling can still be menacing in bursts, but it has to be controlled bursts or else he will fall apart again, that is why it is important that the other bowlers step up. Now if I had my choice of allrounder from anywhere to go into the australian squad, Jacques Kallis would be first choice, Daniel Vettori next (given our lack of spin options). Flintoff 3rd choice. |
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| So isc you wouldn't pick him for Australia in todays squad if you had the chance. Is that true ? |
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| just checked up on pathan. back playing club. again, watch this space. should be injured within days... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| is he any more injury prone than the average fast-bowling allrounder, though? or even the average fast bowler? again, compare him to other guys who do the same job - oram, watson, pathan the elder - where are these guys atm? out injured (alright, oram's just back. but give it an ODI or two and he'll be out again). |
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| what's bollocks mip? He is injury prone, to deny that is to suggest the sky is green nd the grass is blue, if he is required to bowl longer spells repeatedly he gets injured, it has been a 'feature' of his career. ODI's are fine, he can only bowl 10 overs, but tests are played over 5 days and last time I checked that was what the ashes were, a series of 5 day tests one after the other. There are 6 tests between now and the ashes, and if the attack falters he will be required to bowl more overs, increasing the chance of his big frame injuring those stressed joints and ligaments again. Sidebottom is the key, if he is injured the attack looks less penetrative and that may mean more overs for everyone. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| "neither team has a bowling attack that will concern the other batsmen too greatly." yeah but as long as Ponting doesn't figure that one out and bats first and sets realistic targets (c'mon Bangladesh got 413 in the fourth innings) then I think the Poms will be a bit more happier about it..... |
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| I've said it a few times, but I can see a lot of draws in the Ashes - neither team has a bowling attack that will concern the other batsmen too greatly. Broad, Anderson, Harmison, Panesar etc are not exactly in the Steyn/Sharma/Harbi class! And the Aussie attack will not have Warne and McGrath this time - in previous series just the fact that they had the ball gave the Aussies a 3 wicket advantage! I can see a lot of runs in the series flowing from the quality top orders of each side. |
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| Should have added, the ones that are left that is. Didn't Symonds miss that game? Couldn't handle the Welsh beer I heard. ;} |
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| By: svenmarcheson Yesterday (11:51 pm) No one knows how Cardiff will play, +++++++++++++ Actually Sven, the Jafas may have a better knowledge of Cardiff than England. After all, they played the Banglas in a One dayer there in '05 :} |
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| not closer than 2005, but closer than the AUS-SA series. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 2005 wasn't close enough? You reckon closer than 2005? so England will win the Ashes by 1 run this time? (yes Poms, this is a gee-up) |
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| You put a lot of trust into the english weather there... a 2-2 would do for Australia you know. No one knows how Cardiff will play, Lord's will hte the traditional draw as it is virtually impossible to force a result there these days (unless you have a McGrath in your team), so it will go down to the wire I reckon. |
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| reckon the up and coming ASHES will be the closest we have seen for a while with the AUSSIES retaining the ASHES 3-2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Not "oh dear", this is a chance to get rid of Moores. I hope KP doesn't back down on this one. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Oh Dear :- England's build-up to their tour of the West Indies, as well as their campaign to reclaim the Ashes, was clouded in controversy on Thursday when skipper Kevin Pietersen and coach Peter Moores were reported to have fallen out. Skip related content Related photos / videos Enlarge photo The Daily Telegraph said that Hugh Morris, the managing director of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB), will hold urgent talks with the two men this weekend to find a solution to the power struggle. "The outcome of those talks could decide the futures of the two most influential figures in the England dressing room and Morris may face the dilemma of having to dismiss Moores, a figure he grew up with playing cricket for England schools," reported the newspaper. |
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