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| hmmmmmmmmmm. Can't be bothered reading the whole thread, probably the usual name calling hysteria. My take: It's cheating but didn't win the Poms the Ashes. We didn't play well enough, simple. We underestimated the Poms and paid for it. We didn't play the swing well, but I've seen it swing further before and after that series. We dropped too many catches, had some horrible umpiring decisions (that's touring cricket) but I still believe it was the best series I've ever seen and I'm hoping the next one is as good. |
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| That it! Enough is enough... We're going to move the ICC to Hobart, ban the rest of the World for cheating and award Test Status to Hawthorn, Melbourne and Adelaide. Meanwhile, a special committee has been appointed to ensure that all diet-pill taking pitch reporting weather forecasters are nominated to be named National Treasures. |
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| No Tresco, no mints and no Simon Jones?????? Coincidence or not. |
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| Was Warne rubbing the ball with hair gel cheating??? Answer : How many English batsmen during the 2005 Ashes series were dismissed by a Shane Warne delivery that moved a great distance with reverse swing??? |
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| lets face it you filthy pommy gits ... more than half the cheats and criminals in australia are tracked back to where?????? england (convicts) I think we learnt a lot from your guys when you landed yourselves on our shores. HAVE A FKING WASH! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Once Phil Neale came on board as our operations manager it was one of his jobs to make sure the dressing room was fully stocked. But on the first day of the match in Leeds, I almost gave the game away. As I dived to gather the ball at square leg, I landed on my side and a shower of Murray Mints spewed out all over the grass right in front of the umpire. Fortunately, neither he nor the batsmen seemed to notice. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/cricket/articl e-1048581/One-Englands-coach-sent-edge-again.html Seems the cheating was institutional - what a disgrace! |
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| How I almost gave away our Murray Mints secret In the 2001 Ashes, it took Steve Waugh and his team just 11 playing days to achieve the three wins they needed to retain the little urn once again. We lost in four days at Edgbaston, in three and a bit at Lord's and they slaughtered us by eight wickets at Trent Bridge, even though we were twice on top and Steve Waugh had to be carried off on a stretcher in their second innings with a torn calf. At Headingley, our batting was down to the bare bones, but Mark Butcher was almost dropped, and not just for cricketing reasons. Butch had always been a sociable type and his method of winding down after a day's play was one used by generations of cricketers before him - he had a few beers. But one night in Nottingham he had taken things to excess and Duncan Fletcher wanted to drop him. Nasser Hussain agreed but as the management meeting broke up Duncan indicated that he wanted to make a couple more phone calls before a final decision. Good job. Butcher's brilliant 173 not out in the second innings was an innings of genius, and led us to victory by six wickets. But for me, the match was memorable for unconnected reasons. By now I was in charge of looking after the ball in the field with a bit of spit and lot of polish. It had been common knowledge that certain sweets produced saliva which enabled the ball to keep its shine for longer. While at Warwickshire, the captain Dermot Reeve noticed that his bowlers could keep the ball swinging far longer than anyone else. He soon realised the reason was that the player in charge of the ball, batsman Asif Din, chewed extra strong mints. It took a while for word to get around the circuit but once it did sweet sales near the county grounds went through the roof. I tried Asif's mints but they were too dry. Then I had a go at Murray Mints and found they worked a treat. Trouble was, I used to get through about 15 a day. Still, at least I never had to pay for them. |
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| So, for the third time of asking, Was Warne's habit of polishing the ball with hair gel cheating ? This is a stupid arguement. Warnie doesn't use hair gel, you need to have hair to use hair gel. |
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| There is a big difference between taking a diet pill and being a drug cheat. Much the same that there is a big difference between sledging and racially abusing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| This thread is about teams cheatiung to win the Ashes. Australia had Shane Warne ( a CONVICTed drug CHEAT ) in their team for many years who helped them win many ashes series. So it goes that Australia cheated to win many ashes series |
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| This thread isn't about Warnie. If you want to discuss hygiene and hairdressing (something the poms should learn about admittedly) then create a thread for it. This thread is about a campaign - probably constructed at the highest level in English Cricket - to regain the ashes by Cheating. I'd like to know: 1. Did the ECB know about this - they are strangely quiet. 2. Did Tresco do this under instructions? 3. Whose instructions (ECB, Captain or Coach) 4. What other practises have they employed? 5. How many other teams have they cheated in this or other inventive ways? |
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| It would be hard for any spin bowler to actually get spin on a ball with a hand full of gel!!!So that theory is down the gurgler. As for Warne running his hands through his watered down thinning hair if you actually watch afterwards he rubs his hand in any dirt around the pitch area,then rubs his trousers to keep his hands dry and clean. |
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| Lets face it Hardly, you don't have much to add on the subject. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| what has drugs got to do with spinning the ball | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Lets face it Shane warne (australia's greatest ever bowler) was banned for a year because he was CONVICTed of being a drug cheat. How long was he using this stuff before he was caught? Lets face it most of his ashes victories may well have been enhanced by drug taking....so who are the CHEATS?....the aussies as usual | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Let me guess WP you own a salon and Warnie comes in in the morning to get some product put in. You're clutching at straws. As far as I can recall Warnie had a habit of wetting his hair during lunch. Maybe he showered? who cares. The point is Tresco and the boys got together and gave him the job of administering a substance to the ball that they know through experince does make the ball reverse. Little more insidious than anything Warnie may have or may not have done to the ball. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ENGLAND's 2005 Ashes victory will forever be tarnished (with mint), according to former swing bowler Damien Fleming, and national selector Merv Hughes has described Marcus Trescothick's creative ball-work during that famous series as "unethical". The Australian camp is said to be unamused by Trescothick's stated use of Murray Mints to aid the devastating swing bowling that was a defining feature of that Ashes win. "They definitely got an illegal advantage over us in those overs. At least now we know why England lost the (next) Ashes: they lost their minty guy!" |
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| So, for the third time of asking, Was Warne's habit of polishing the ball with hair gel cheating ? Nope - He never used hair gel on the ball to my knowledge. Angus Fraser, the former England medium pace bowler who covered the series for the Independent, wouldn't go as far as to deem the practice illegal, but he believed the disclosure has exposed the hypocrisy that has existed over ball tampering. According to Fraser, who has been part of the ICC's technical committee, the tactics Trescothick employed to shine the ball has been always popular on the county circuit. "I don't know if it is illegal," he said. "To me it is a total hypocrisy on what is deemed to be ball tampering. When Pakistan were accused of ball tampering it was built into something that was abhorrent. Ball tampering is ball tampering whether you scratch the ball or whether you deliberately put in sugary saliva on it to aid its shine so I don't see any difference between one and the either. "There are huge inconsistencies for one side to complain about the other scratching the ball when they are deliberately sucking sugary sweets to shine the ball," he said. |
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| Off cricinfo Peter Willey, former England batsman and ex-ICC umpire, who still officiates at county games, has seen bowlers using all sorts of methods on the ball. He offers an interesting analogy to Trescothick's mint. "People use suntan oil, lip salve, scruff the ball with finger and thumbs until they get caught. If you apply suntan oil on you forehead or face or arms and rub the sweat on your body (which is mixed with suntan oil) and then rub the ball what is the difference?" While Willey believed Trescothick didn't violate the spirit of the game, Fraser wanted to look at the issue from another angle. "It is impossible to police," he said. "If a batsman edges the ball and stands his ground and no-one says a word, that is part of the game. And if a bowler adds sugary saliva on the ball, the spirit of the game is called into question. There should be some leniency about what the bowler can do to the ball. You don't want a cricket ball tested at the end of day for sugar, for sun cream, for lip gel, for finger nails and whatever else you want to try and put on it." So, for the third time of asking, Was Warne's habit of polishing the ball with hair gel cheating ? |
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| "According to the laws this is illegal - but we won't outlaw sucking sweets" Doesnt that open a can of worms If sucking sweets is acceptable, where does the ICC draw the line??? At drinks, the fielding 12th man brings out 12 toffee apples which are furiously rubbed against one side of a 60 over ball during the drinks interval. If sweets are outlawed on the field, will the Poms have a 5 metre high Kool mint sitting next to the boundary rope during the next Ashes series , or have the 12 th man run on at regular intervals with a mouth load of mint ?? It is not new for the poms to cheat by applying foreign material onto the match ball Remember during the 1975 english tour of India, when Peter Lever was accused of rubbing his eyebrows with vaseline before the match which he rubbed over the ball during the course of the Indian innings. |
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| Sven, you're a loser mate. Again you bring up the Olympics. Try the other boards mate, I haven't been reading them and don't care. You can read the article a thousand times it still says it was Tresco's job to shine the ball and that during the Ashes he dropped a heap of mints on the ground and neither the umpire or the "Aussies" noticed. When else were the Aussies playing if not in the Ashes. Take the effing blinkers off mate, the words are on the screen. WP it was a close series. The Aussies made mistakes (I was screaming at the radio when Ponting bowled) and bowled terribly (except Warnie), but it was still extremely close. You won Edgebaston by the smallest of margins and you don't think a bit of extra reverse swing helped? That was the difference in the series. How you guys are trying to defend this is completely unbelievable. You've lost all grasp of what is sporting and what isn't. Your team were absolutely systematic in playing the game with an unfair advantage. The only reason you won't admit it is that if you did, you would admit that even with your best team in years you had to cheat to beat us. |
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| Do not be forgetting the pink jelly bean attack on India. These cheating English think that there is one rule for them and another for the rest of us. I am suspecting that we have not heard the last of the jelly bean story now that the main protagonist is the current captain! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Go back to any post I made at the time of the loss and I can guarantee they were all talking up the performance of England in that series - I am not a sore loser. But what irks me is that guys like Agnew and Boycott were calling for Ponting to be sacked and half the Aussie side to be dropped because we celebrated a test victory last year!?!? Clarkie takes 3 wickets in what could have been the last over of the game to snatch the win, we jump up and down and pat each other on the back and THAT is cause for sackings? But pre-meditated and widespread ball tampering is just a bit of a joke? I just want a little consistency. |
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| Pathetic little shyte | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| cheats are cheats ,England are cheats end of story,if it was Australia you poms would be up in arms about it and screaming for somone's head on a platter,how graceful would you take it if Australia cheated,you have a tainted Victory. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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