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By: strange+is+my+name
29/08/2008
7:51 am

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If what wp is insinuating is that the mints were not used in 2005, I have not seen much news on this so I'm sure we'd all appreciate if there was a proper source of information proving this one way or the other. I sure will not be adding to the book sales to find out.

By: kangaroos_world_champs
29/08/2008
7:36 am

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PLEASE READ S L O W L Y AND C A R E F U L L Y

The former England opener was part of the team that won the ""2005 Ashes"" series against Australia when reverse swing was key to their success.

Cricket laws forbid the use of "any artificial substance", specifically to be applied to the surface of the ball.

"According to the laws this is illegal - but we won't outlaw sucking sweets," an ICC spokesman told BBC Sport.

The Somerset man's international career is now over because of stress-related problems, but he was the man England nominated to look after the ball, not only in ""2005"", but also in the home series against Australia four years earlier.
So how did the Aussie media get it wrong???????

By: wp2k3
29/08/2008
3:00 am

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Hey nyeninch; why don't you start a new thread
"England cheated but still lost 4-1 "

By: wp2k3
29/08/2008
2:37 am

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Here's the funniest part of this story. The Australian media have got the story totally wrong. Trescothick was talking entirely about the 2001 Ashes series.

By: sscno9
28/08/2008
8:36 pm

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Time to moveon people

By: lokikane
28/08/2008
8:21 pm

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Naah, he just wore it in that match because everybody kept telling him the sun shone out Muralis ar/se after all the tsunami dramas - whats a guy to do?!

By: svenmarcheson
28/08/2008
8:14 pm

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Because there were some really strong lights in the Telstra Dome during the Australia vs. World XI match!

By: kangaroos_world_champs
28/08/2008
8:13 pm

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And having white zinc cream all over a red ball would be a bit obvious wouldn't you think lol.

By: lokikane
28/08/2008
8:07 pm

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who cares why he wears it. Possibly the same reason 10's of thousands of fans do it at a game and the fact that since he was a kid hes had it thrown at him from all quarters about sun protection, esp in Qld. Bichel was another that wore it, Geoff Dymock..... the list goes on in Oz, I dunno why or really care.
Arent the implications about wearing zinc cream more than a tad obvious to ALL-including the umps, ICC, match referees and opposition. I mean its hardly ever gonna be a subversive tactic now is it? Im not saying that there arent and wouldnt be benefits to a bit of zinc finding its way on to the ball but the reasoning behind it isnt based with same intentions.
Whatever the mint was it cant be much diffrent to the old P.K though now can it and weve been chewing on that out in the middle for decades. Let it go through to the keeper i say.
Having said that, a mint is hardly a bottle top is it?!
Why shoot a Pom when theres Pakis out there that should be more firmly in peoples sights.

By: wp2k3
28/08/2008
7:04 pm

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Why does Andrew Symonds wear Zinc cream?

By: aikidogeoff
28/08/2008
5:25 pm

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How can it be cheating?
If it was done in 1984,yet outlawed in 1987!
After 1987 it would be cheating ?
So when they outlaw MINTS in cricket!Then it will be cheating!

By: once_was_chucker
28/08/2008
9:19 am

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Perhaps, the most famous example of "BTW, I Cheated" would be the US cycling team that swept all before them at the 1984 LA Olympics. Despite the Eastern European boycott, most expected the other European powers and the Aussies to challenge
the US team dominated, and it was put down to the new technology of the rear disc wheel employed by the US team.
Two years after the Olympics, the US cycling team doctor published a paper in a reputable sports journal on how blood doping ie donating blood, storing it and transfusing it into the same athletes in the days before the event, had caused massive improvements in times and performances.
Despite a massive uproar, the US cyclists were allowed to keep their medals
The practice was outlawed in 1987.
But perhaps the most remarkable feat was the Aussie mens pursuit team won gold beating the Americans who were blood doped and using superior technology!!

By: wp2k3
27/08/2008
7:10 pm

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KEC I just asked the question. You can make whatever inference you wish :]

By: svenmarcheson
27/08/2008
6:19 pm

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Luv_goat, I'm not selling him down the river and call him a nutter, I'm merely saying that this is pretty much the only explanation that I have for this happening.

When has anyone ever come out and said "oh, btw, I cheated" without having any sort of evidence laid against them before? No one in their right mind anyways. Can you come up with ONE example?

If you can't come up with one example, then with what explanation are we left then? Yeah, there is the obvious possibility that his publisher pushed him to include something spicy in order top help book-sales, but to use soething like that is extremely stupid, if not mad in the first place. Which still leaves me to think that this chapter is not yet closed.

By: kingerikcantona
27/08/2008
5:56 pm

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wot r u suggesting wp2k3??

By: kingerikcantona
27/08/2008
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do they use murray mint's to shine their MBE's??

By: wp2k3
27/08/2008
5:44 pm

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Why does Andrew Symonds wear Zinc cream ?

By: the_luv_goat
27/08/2008
9:34 am

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By: svenmarcheson
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I think that Tresco needs to be asked what motivated him for writing what he did. But then, he HAS been diganosed with mental illenesses, so...
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1. What motivated him? An appreciation for truth and honesty perhaps? His conscience could no longer allow him to remain silent?

2. So he's only a poor man who we should leave alone WHEN it suits but if he writes something which doesn't suit then you'll sell him down the river and call him a nutter?

Why am I not at all surprised.

By: kangaroos_world_champs
27/08/2008
9:29 am

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This MINTGATE episode will leave a sour taste in poms mouths.
Even the players will be hiding their tarnished M.B.E's from prying eye's who might ask them the embarrassing question of how and why they received it.

By: sscno9
27/08/2008
8:59 am

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at the end of the day what happened,happened time to move on and just a reminder"THE AUSSIES HOLD THE ASHES (5-0)"

By: nye_ninch
27/08/2008
8:26 am

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Someone asked what would we say if it was revealled Lee used Zinc on the ball last ashes - well in Australia he would be hung, drawn and quartered!

Much like every decent Aussie still shudders when the names Greg and Trevor Chappell are mentioned.

I can't understand any fan trying to justify their side cheating!

The Ashes were 3 years ago, and in the past - true, it can't be changed. But I would have expected most of England to be up in arms about this as much as, if not more than, the Aussie fans.

A system built up over a period of years so that the side can manipulate the ball against the laws of the game is a massive kick in the guts for cricket.

If it was Austalia I'd be calling for a few heads.

By: eddwadge
27/08/2008
8:16 am

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Ok so I'm English and maybe a bit biased but don't you think maybe it was Glen McGrath stepping on a ball in the warm up and putting himself out of the series that won us the ashes.

It's a bit sad that after all this time you can't take losing the odd series here or there. What with "Dad's Army" playing unfair boring rugby, Team GB (Great Britain) rellying on other British athletes to come fourth in Beijing and sticky saliva rather than a strangely good English summer and you losing the worlds best fast bowler winning us the ashes.

By: lokikane
26/08/2008
9:35 pm

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Im with Merv - let it go, after all, redemption was total and absolute!

By: svenmarcheson
26/08/2008
9:03 pm

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Hm, even Merv Hughes does not want to dwell on the subject, hehe....

By: sweatyoutback
26/08/2008
9:01 pm

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Frankly there hasn't ever been a test side which hasn't sought an advantage wherever possible, unfair or otherwise...

Tresco was just stupid enough to make it public, I guess his 'illness' meant he didn't earn as much as he'd like and figured this might make up the difference.
Warne is too clever to ruin reputations by admitting when rules were broken for a bowling edge, besides, he can earn plenty from doing a commercial or two when he needs runs out of extra sticky hair gel.
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