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| "he has admitted to illegally shining the ball by sucking on mints during the 2005 Ashes series which was won by England". "It was my job to keep the shine on the new ball for as long as possible with a bit of spit and a lot of polish. "And through trial and error I finally settled on type of spit for the task at hand". "However, artificial substances such as Murray Mints - as is the case here - is illegal because the saliva produced from sucking on these mints aided swinging". DONE!!!! |
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| weren't players from both sides rubbing brylcreem into the ball many decades ago?? so whats the big deal, this sort of thing has been going on for bout 100 years saliva, brylcreem, sweat, wax etc etc etc lets move on, we have the ashes and he also stated the same thing in the 2001 series and we won that one!!!! |
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| so why can't you just post the part where he said " during the 2005 ahses, I rubbed mints onto the ball", and put the issue to bed..? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Oh brother...please read this link again. http://www.cricketnews.com.au/marcus-trescothick-a dmits-cheating-in-2005-ashes/ First paragraph..you cant miss it..heres what it says.. Several of Australia's leading newspapers have today published excerpts from former England opener Marcus Trescothick's new autobiography where he has admitted to illegally shining the ball by sucking on mints during the 2005 Ashes series which was won by England. THIS IS FROM HIS BOOK WHERE HE """ADMITS""" TO RUBBING MINTS ONTO THE BALL IN THE """"2005 ASHES SERIES""".ok. |
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| kangaroos_world_champs wrote: "All i can go on is what trescothick has said,the england team used mints to shine the ball in 2001 and 2005,i presume keeping the ball shiny would have an effect on swing." The problem is there's no quote regarding the 2005 series, only 2001... I hope you're not being deliberately obtuse here. Once again, a source is required or we're bickering about something we're not informed about. |
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| How about they give the ball to the umpires after every over so they can sniff,feel and lick it to make sure its ok lol. No matter what,the focus will be on the players before they pass the ball back to the bowler. |
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| This is , I think, where you can draw a line in the sand. After all, Dravid was found guilty of ball tampering when he rubbed a cough lozenge on to the ball. Yet the ICC cannot police someone sucking mints, chewing gum etc, and applying the saliva to the ball. Similarly they cannot police players applying lip salve, hair gel, and sun tan oil , and then rubbing themselves with their hands and applying that to the ball. But if you say that's the same as applying an artificial substance directly to the ball, then you are opening the doors to players carrying spray cans of hair gel etc. in their pockets,and spraying that directly onto the ball. Why not define illegal tampering as "applying an artificial substance directly onto the ball.? " |
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| Into,onto,it's STILL a form of cheating dont you agree???? It should NEVER have been done no matter what. |
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| By: kangaroos_world_champs Today (6:46 pm) Yahoo! Profile: kangaroos_world_champs Did this message offend you? Sign in to report abuse Re:England cheated to win ashes! Reply to this message Would you call rubbing a mint into a ball to shine it and help it to swing CHEATING????..I WOULD!!! He admitted to it and it's a form of CHEATING. Can someone explain that to wp2k3!!!FFS. ++++++++++++++ Hold on . He rubbed amint into the ball? |
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| Peter Willey, former England batsman and ex-ICC umpire, who still officiates at county games, has seen bowlers using all sorts of methods on the ball. He offers an interesting analogy to Trescothick's mint. "People use suntan oil, lip salve, scruff the ball with finger and thumbs until they get caught. If you apply suntan oil on you forehead or face or arms and rub the sweat on your body (which is mixed with suntan oil) and then rub the ball what is the difference?" While Willey believed Trescothick didn't violate the spirit of the game, Fraser wanted to look at the issue from another angle. "It is impossible to police," he said. "If a batsman edges the ball and stands his ground and no-one says a word, that is part of the game. And if a bowler adds sugary saliva on the ball, the spirit of the game is called into question. There should be some leniency about what the bowler can do to the ball. You don't want a cricket ball tested at the end of day for sugar, for sun cream, for lip gel, for finger nails and whatever else you want to try and put on it |
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| Angus Fraser, the former England medium pace bowler who covered the series for the Independent, wouldn't go as far as to deem the practice illegal, but he believed the disclosure has exposed the hypocrisy that has existed over ball tampering. According to Fraser, who has been part of the ICC's technical committee, the tactics Trescothick employed to shine the ball has been always popular on the county circuit. "I don't know if it is illegal," he said. "To me it is a total hypocrisy on what is deemed to be ball tampering. When Pakistan were accused of ball tampering it was built into something that was abhorrent. Ball tampering is ball tampering whether you scratch the ball or whether you deliberately put in sugary saliva on it to aid its shine so I don't see any difference between one and the either. "There are huge inconsistencies for one side to complain about the other scratching the ball when they are deliberately sucking sugary sweets to shine the ball," he said. |
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| All i can go on is what trescothick has said,the england team used mints to shine the ball in 2001 and 2005,i presume keeping the ball shiny would have an effect on swing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Can someone please find a news source which tells more than mints were used in 2001 and reverse swing played a big part of the 2005 ashes. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here but there two events are being linked and I have yet to see quotes which prove it, I dare say it's less of a news story if they weren't. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Using artificial measures to shine the ball is illegal, but an ICC spokesman told the BBC it would not "outlaw sucking sweets''. "It depends on the evidence and circumstances, so if something is brought to our attention it would be dealt with," he said. "But where do you stop, for example, if you start to try to stop everyone who is chewing gum?'' | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Maybe it was the same headline writer who suggested that Strauss was "snubbed". There we have one example of the headline not being in sync with the rest of the article. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Got a link to where the ICC say their divided about it? And IF they dont think it's a form of cheating well anything goes from now on. |
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| I wrote this yesterday, and you replied to it. By: wp2k3 Today (3:00 am) Yahoo! Profile: wp2k3 Did this message offend you? Sign in to report abuse Re:England cheated to win ashes! Reply to this message Hey nyeninch; why don't you start a new thread "England cheated but still lost 4-1 " +++++++++++++++++++ And the ICC is divided over whether it is cheating or not. I sometimes think Australians consider they're the only people in the world whose sh1t smells of roses. |
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| Would you call rubbing a mint into a ball to shine it and help it to swing CHEATING????..I WOULD!!! He admitted to it and it's a form of CHEATING. Can someone explain that to wp2k3!!!FFS. |
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| But of course it suits MT perfectly because this assumption will sell more copies of his book. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| FFS mate, is English your second language. For the third time he said he used mints in the headingley Test and that was in 2001. Can you show me one article where he has said "I cheated in the 2005 Ashes series " Because all you have done for the last 12 hours or so is show me articles where the journalists are assuming that was the series he was talking about. |
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| the little rat. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| it is strange trescothick brain, is in full working order when he has a book to sell? |
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| It's in black and white(in his book) what he said about using mints on the ball in the 2005 ashes series. I dont really care on which ground the tests were played,it doesnt matter,all we know is he rubbed mints into the ball in the 2005 ashes series.and probably other series also against other countries. |
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| whats the score wp. is tresco guilty of treason? if so, bring back hanging! |
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| KWC; are you reading these links right through. Here's an excerpt from the last one you gave us "Reverse swing played a crucial part in England's shock win over the Aussies in the 2005 Ashes series with the swing generated by the England bowlers - Andrew Flintoff, Steve Harmison, Matthew Hoggard and Simon Jones - proving unplayable at times. However, artificial substances such as Murray Mints - as is the case here - is illegal because the saliva produced from sucking on these mints aided swinging. The former opener also admitted that he narrowly escaped detection during the Headingley Test after a fielding incident left his pocket full of mints all over the pitch. "For the first time, as I dived to gather the ball at square-leg, I landed on my side and a shower of Murray Mints spewed out of my trouser pocket all over the grass right in front of the umpire," he wrote." Again some of the media got it wrong and the rest have followed like sheep falling off a cliff. I REPEAT THERE WAS NO HEADINGLEY TEST IN 2005 And you still have not provided us with a direct quote from MT himself, saying mints were used in 2005. All you've quoted is inferences from the journalists. |
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