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| Those two sides may be well supported etc, but the cost of travel to them is a big issue for all other clubs - this would hurt Darwin too, so they may have to miss out. If you like the comp could keep one of the sides and have the other 7 clubs in capital cities. I don't know the ins and outs of the league, but I do know it has to be streamlined. Limit the teams so the money in it is not spread so thinly accross the comp. Yes, sides like Canberra and Hobart have folded in the past - but NSL clubs struggled and folded prior to the A-League too. Now the comp is stronger than it's ever been! The NBL needs to revitalise itself and make basketball relevant again - as it stands it is a mickey mouse sport in Australia. The comp needs a shake up, and that includes making unpopular calls. As long as the end result is positive for basketball, the short term pain will be worth it. |
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| "Basketball has the benefit of not costing as much to run as a footy side - so they could stick a side in EVERY capital city in the country, including Hobart, Darwin and Canberra. So that would be 8 sides and the chance to expand later IF possible." Yep and ditch 2 of the best supported and best ran clubs in the comp in Cairns and Townsville. Good call..... |
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| Guys they need to get back to the people. get back into the schools, the local sporting clubs for training sessions and just goodwill building visits. You want to increase the interest in a club...hold an open try out - charge a small fee and give allcomers a play with the big boys and give them a shirt or something to commemorate it. i'd be there with bells on just to say i'd tried out for a team. i think with the way the seasons are run with a couple of games a week the teams don't get the time to enjoy the fans and vice versa. Family fun days, local park street ball games participated in and run by the clubs - thats how we'll get back to the glory days - for Brisbane I remember going to the entertainment centre and having 10 000 to a Bullets game!!! |
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| NBL used to have teams in Canberra and Hobart but they folded due to lack of money and I don't think things would change much now. NBL stadiums are meant to have a minimum seating capacity of 5000 and I'm not sure if either of those cities have a stadium that big, Canberra might with the AIS stadium, I'm not sure on the size of that place. I support the Geelong Supercats in the SEABL, a league that Canberra and Hobart also play in and think they would be better off staying in this league. I know the stadium that Canberra play in is a shed used for social comps, they play on a court against one wall where there is 4 rows of seating & then they use make shift seating on the other side. Basketball isn't big in Canberra, I don't remember it getting much publicity at all - at least not before games, and they might get 100 to 150 people to matches. Geelong has had more supporters turn up at matches up there compared with locals. Hobart just upgraded their venue and its capacity is now 1600. They do get more people to their matches then other teams, but not sure if they would be able to make a sustained effort at NBL level. Another issue is cost of memberships. I sit 3 rows from the front and pay $130 to see 13 matches of basketball and you can buy a family ticket for the same area for $430. Hobart memberships are $130 for an adult and $280 for a family. To get a premium seat to the South Dragons would cost $449 for 14 games with family memberships $699 to sit back beyond the premium area. Tigers are more pricey, gold adults ticket is $485 and a family ticket is $1275, Cairns doesn't have family discounts and for a platinum seat its a flat rate of $505. If you look at those prices, people that currently support teams who play in the SEABL or other state leagues where its more reasonable priced for families are better off having there team stay in these leagues. Plus Hobart has had success at this level and Canberra is a reliable team. |
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| Yep, I may hate basketball, but the sport has its fans and it needs help. Copy the A-League and the sport CAN survive. Basketball has the benefit of not costing as much to run as a footy side - so they could stick a side in EVERY capital city in the country, including Hobart, Darwin and Canberra. So that would be 8 sides and the chance to expand later IF possible. Forget the NBL and form a new, vibrant and exciting comp that appeals to the fans - try something different like tinkering with the rules so that the last 3 minutes of each half doesn't go for 15 minutes while the sides simply exchange fouls and free throws. Make it tribal - state colours and an 'origin' type mentality. |
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| ROFL!! I still haven't gotten over the fact that the Sydney Kings went broke.... I mean it is like the Los Angeles Lakers or the Boston Celtics relocating.... But anyway in regards to the Spirit and the NBL... having witnessed what happened to soccer in this country, maybe basketball imitating a sinking ship will be the only way for us to get rid of the 'rats' and then we can start afresh... |
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| Its there own fault. They struggled enough as the Razorbacks, but at least they had a fan base and a culture and some kind of history. Yet they tried to cash in on the collaspe of the Kings and they failed. Next stop, the Hawks... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| And now the remaining Sydney club, the Sydney Spirit, have gone broke. If they don't have any money by Monday, they fold |
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| find 1 woman who plays in the WNBL that actually likes wearing those body suits - for years they have asked to go back to short & shirt combo, more fitted then the guys wear though. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| skraison... regarding the WNBL... don't you agree that not all the women should be wearing those bodysuits?? IF I was commissioner I would bring into effect that only the smoking hot babes be allowed to wear one :) it's not sexist as I would seriously pay to attend games IF that rule was invoked... It's all about keeping the WNBL alive, isn't it??? |
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| It doesn't help when there is NO national Tv coverage of the NBL at the moment! Fox Sports is supposed to be a major sponsor of the league but hasn't bothered to show any of this years games. It's a pretty bloody poor effort given that this years competition is up to rounds 5/6. At least the ABC is showing the WNBL. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| big whoop.... it's all talk that we've seen before.. the last review in I think 1998 came up with the brilliant idea of removing the salary cap for the Sydney Kings... loading them up with talent and allowing them to win championship after championship... that worked out pretty well... can't wait to see what genuis ideas they come up with this time... It's interesting to note that none of Australia's past greats like Lindsay Gaze, Leroy Loggins, Phil Smyth are part of the game at the highest level... instead have know nothing Americans and shareholders deciding what's best for the game... |
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| Internationally, Australia is currently ranked the number two basketball nation in the FIBA global rankings, while locally, basketball has never been stronger, with more than 650,000 people participating in the sport and numbers continuing to grow. “If the sport is to maximise these assets, it needs to generate increased revenue. This should be possible through the adoption of an independent governing body capable of making decisions in the best interest of the sport.” Mark Peters, interim board member and CEO of the Australian Sports Commission, stated that an independent governing body would strengthen the national approach to the development of the game. “For revenue purposes, the sport needs a vibrant NBL and WNBL and the Boomers and Opals playing regularly in Australia. “The key initiatives outlined in the review will assist in raising the profile of the game and in turn generate the significant media and sponsorship revenues currently lacking,” said Mr. Peters. The review recommends aggressively pursuing commercial, government and non-traditional revenue lines to drive growth and ensure a profitable business. A commitment to developing sound commercial strategies, strong financial management and measurable outcomes are critical elements and will ultimately decide the success of reform. As part of the plan to reform the sport, Basketball Australia and the NBL have previously decided to merge. The decision to move to a single unified body stems from a two-stage review of the sport commissioned more than 15 months ago by Basketball Australia, the NBL and the Australian Sports Commission. With the second stage of the review now complete, the interim board will provide details of the report to all Basketball Australia and NBL stakeholders before putting its recommendations to a vote on 11 October. |
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| An independent review into Australian basketball released today outlines initiatives to reposition the sport including a new elite competition to replace the National Basketball League. Key priorities addressed in the report are a major restructure of the basketball administration; re-branding and aggressively promoting the sport: developing strong revenue streams from corporate and media partnerships; increasing the connection between community and elite competitions and national teams; and significant expansion and investment in the national basketball program. “While commissioned to identify the critical issues facing basketball in Australia, the review has also served to reinforce the underlying strengths of the sport which include a strong participation base, talented athlete programs, a large number of elite players of international quality, strong female participation and passionate, untapped public support,” said chairman of the Interim Board, Mr. David Thodey. “Basketball has a bright future in Australia, and requires renewed focus, commitment, and support to ensure the right foundations are set for the next decade. “The independent review provides a unique opportunity to get it right - to ensure every facet of the game is functioning optimally - so we can strengthen the position of basketball as a key sport in Australia,” said Mr. Thodey. The review recommends the development of an elite men’s competition to replace the current NBL for season 2009/10 with a revised format commercially attractive to broadcasters and business partners, and working with FIBA (International Basketball Federation) to create and participate in an Asian Club Championship from 2010. “This is definitely not a short-term strategy,” said Mr. Thodey. “We aim to deliver an improved governance and management structure, and a sustainable business plan, that will ensure significant commercial and community benefits for basketball in Australia. “There ... |
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| They need to do something, I hope they revamp the league but I have not heard or seen anything about a new comp in 2010.Hopefully they do something...... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I heard that they are revamping the comp in 2010 or something. can someone shred more light on that! It was only a 5 second story on the news but they were saying the Wildcats would survive whatever they do cos of their success. it sounded like they were going to do what the A League went through and start up a WOrld Club comp. or something. |
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| the NBL has basically confessed that they dont have the time or resources to hunt down salary cap frauds in the current year. It is open slather |
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| Ah I remember the 90's and even the 80's every club had there big name players Loggins,Atkins,Stangstock for the Bullets,Dwayne'D-train' Mclain,Caffino for the Kings,Gaze,Bradtke and Mcdonald for Tigers and James Crawford,Tiny Pinder,and Ricky Grace for Perth. We gotta get back to those days not stack one team so they dominate the whole comp back to basics. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I know a lot of you still care about the NBL and have come up with some good ideas on how to fix it on this thread which is great to see... the problem is the adminstrators of the league don't listen, don't care and don't have a clue... Similar to soccer and the creation of the A-League, we need a 'white knight' like Frank Lowy to come in and save the whole show and until then sadly all most of us fans can do is to continue to wander in the wilderness and remnisce about the good old days of the 90s.... |
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| The salary cap should be increased so that NBL clubs can keep some of the top players. Otherwise, they will be tempted to go play in Europe where the salaries are a lot higher. Also the NBL should consider introducing a 'marquee player rule', whereby one player on the roster could be paid a similar salary as he would get in Europe but it wouldn't count against the salary cap. I propose this in order to have more star players in the league. Star players sell tickets. |
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| I have the luxury of watching the NBL on T.V because I have Austar Pay T.V and there is nothing else to watch until the Cricket season starts. I know they use to show a few games on Channel 10 but unless you have Pay T.V you would miss most of the NBL season. I don't know what the solution is to this problem but something needs to be done. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I dont know how much valid good its doing but without the tslk of it in the mass media and without the conjecture that there is over the Tigers, thered be virtually no coverage of it in the press. It seems that the NBL has to satisfy itself with the concept that negative press is better than no press. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Agree with trev , maybe dropping the salary cap is the answer for now.Lets get our stars back and promote the game. The funny thing is I go down to the main street ball courts in brisbane and there are still plenty of people playing ball. And to add a lot of the top bball players go to the football codes because of the money ....so increase the money and some of these players might stick to bball.. |
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| Salary Caps are important in competitons where money is a plenty and a handful of clubs have a wealth advantage over the other clubs. But is it really necessary in a competition with no tv rights deal and little sponsorship? A competition where the standard is high but no ones watching? A competition where every few years a few teams fall over, a few more merge and and few more come into being? Lifting the cap may entice some quality international players while encouraging local players to stay. One could argue that it turns the competition into a battle between the rich clubs and poor clubs. And they would have an argument. Except over the summer we lost 3 clubs, 2 from the 1st and 3rd most populated cities in the country and also recent title winners. So clubs are dropping off with a salary cap what good is it doing? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I agree lift the salary cap or increase it to say $2'000000 or more than have player bonuses to keep local talent here and attract better quality players from overseas. NBL has to promote the game in this country a whole lot better to entice crowds to go and watch a game maybe do alot more promotional work. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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