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| "Boston's current line up next year: Allen - 34 Garnett - 33 Pierce - 32 House - 31 Posey - 32 Cassell - 40 Brown - 40 Of those that actually matter who are younger than 30: Rondo - 21 Perkins - 24 Powe - 25 All serviceable, but suggestions that Rondo will be an All-Star? Sorry, I've seen nothing thus far that would indicate that." True, their getting old real quick. And their window of opportunity is very very small. But Danny Ainge knew this from the go. And if they didnt take the title this year it would be looking like he put all his money on the wrong horse. But he didnt. He took a punt and they came through with the goods. Theyll have another good shot at the title next year and from then on it gets scary. As a Boston fan, ive completely forgotten that we have been 22 years without title at the moment. And maybe in 22 years time ill look but and say "why the hell didnt we build a team?".... |
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| THAT... was goddamn hilarious! The fact that as yet he hasn't done anything to indicate that he's a future All-Star doesn't mean sh1t? Really??? Sheesh mandati... where did I say that Rondo didn't do a good job? You're virtually wetting yourself over him, is all. There's a WORLD of difference between 'doing well' and 'All Star'. East All-Star? Give me Chauncey Billups over Rondo any day... for a good few years to come. For that matter, Mike Bibby, Kirk Hinrich, TJ Ford, Jose Calderon. They are the guards in the East that he's working against. And he can say a big 'thank you' to Mark Cuban for removing the starting point guard from the Eastern Conference All-Stars. |
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| All serviceable, but suggestions that Rondo will be an All-Star? Sorry, I've seen nothing thus far that would indicate that. No offence don but that doesnt mean sh!t. who knows what will happen next year.I got the all star quote from hollinger (i think)and you have to admit when rondo was healthy he done pretty good .Even phil jax credited rondo .. |
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| Boston's current line up next year: Allen - 34 Garnett - 33 Pierce - 32 House - 31 Posey - 32 Cassell - 40 Brown - 40 Of those that actually matter who are younger than 30: Rondo - 21 Perkins - 24 Powe - 25 All serviceable, but suggestions that Rondo will be an All-Star? Sorry, I've seen nothing thus far that would indicate that. |
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| with artest , i only mentioned that from an article i read on the la times i think)and the fans were pretty keen on getting artest , along with a hundred stupid trade suggestions that only helped the lakers and no one else..lol.. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| kobes jump shooting against the celts wasnt to crash hot mind you, he shot round 40% or so. and as some commentators put it , a lot of wild shots. Then again his team mates wernt exactly doing much , so you cant hold that against him. With the draft , i dont know who the bulls take.Either way they are dooming them selves to more lottery picks before they get better.After the way they played this year i cant see a rookie being much help. |
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| Interesting unrestricted FAs: James Posey, Chris Duhon, Tyronn Lue, Josh Howard, Matt Barnes, Baron Davis, Mickael Pietrus, Jermaine O'Neal, Trevor Ariza (I expect him to opt to stay a Laker tho'), Jannero Pargo (as with Ariza, a Hornet), Keith Bogans, Ron Artest, Beno Udrih, Brent Barry, Michael Finley, Kurt Thomas, Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison. |
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| Not sure I'd want Artest at LA... Rumor is he's NY-bound. <<but as a lights out shooter - he is only a streaky one at best.>> Sloppy, didn't you watch the playoffs? The big thing ALL the commentators were saying was that with the Spurs, they took away the basket from him, so he turned into being a jump-shooter. And you're ignoring the way the Triangle works - no-one's a spot-up shooter. Beasley's strong enough to play PF... in the mold of a Milsap or Powe. And I'd go Rose. |
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| <<Agreed on Pierce... but wait and see. He's never even made an All-NBA second team thus far...>> but thats my point. i think he can make that nba first or second team next year, thus been a top 10 player in the league. <<You don't figure Kobe is? Hehe...>> kobe is a lot of things, and he can kill you in a million different ways, but as a lights out shooter - he is only a streaky one at best. he is amazing at creating his own shot, shooting off the dribble and getting to the rim, but with his feet set i think is only streaky. and besides, do you really want kobe been the spot up shooter? dont you want him doing all the things he already does - scoring and creating for others. <<on to a new topic--who do you think the bulls will take with the first pick?>> bulls are in a bit of a tough spot IMO. the best two prospects are a PG and a SF, but they already have a more then capable PG and SF. what they really need is a top tier PF or C, but there are none avaliable in this draft. beasley can certainly play a little bit of PF, but he is only 6'8, so when it is all said and done, i think he will be regarded as a SF in this league. so if they draft rose they have to trade heinrich, and if they draft beasley then they have to trade deng (well they dont have too, but trading one of those two would be the best chance the bulls would have of aquiring a decent big). but the problem with this is that both heinrich and deng have had career worst years, and their trade value is at an all time low. so whatever they get for them isnt going to be as much as it should be. tough situation, but i really like both beasley and rose. both would be upgrades over heinrich and deng, and i think both will be superstars. i think rose will be the pick, but i think beasley will be the better player. |
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| don ,what are the lakers chances of getting artest? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Agreed on Pierce... but wait and see. He's never even made an All-NBA second team thus far... <<with fish and another lights out shooter>> You don't figure Kobe is? Hehe... <<there will be plenty of vets looking for a title who will be more then willing to put their hand up to play for the celts for next to nothing.>> The Lakers will have some space too... hoping we can pick up a player or two who fit that bill as well! |
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| Haha god i am full of sh!t..just about everything we talk about is speculation... I am tipping the cavs to win next year , if they can trade wally's expiring contract(13 mil) for another star.Get a bit on scoring help for lebron and watch them go... |
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| Its not that i dissagree with you don ,i just dont think you are giving the celts youngsters enough credit. Anyway ,this is all speculative arguing ,we will just have to wait and see. on to a new topic--who do you think the bulls will take with the first pick? |
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| ch easier to guard because you know that all they are gonna be doing is pounding it inside. a shooter spreads the floor moreso then a slasher so that the middle doesnt get too conjested. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| <<Guarantee you one thing: at best, Pierce/Allen/Garnett are *as* good, they will not be better. >> agree with kg and ray ray, but given what i just saw from pierce over the whole playoffs, i think there is a real possiblity he can elevate his game to the truely elite level and be a top 10 player in the league. his game 7 vs cleveland and game 5 vs lakers where out of this world stuff. he is on the brink of becoming a true celtic legend, the guy who stuck with them through the bad times then helped lead them to a championship. a massive season (or two) from him and i think he may end up getting his number retired - which i reckon is something that would motivate anyone, especially a celtic given their history. <<But even if they get him, they have to make small tweaks. Cassell & Brown will be gone, and as is often said in the NBA, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.>> they were only ever one year stop gaps with experience anyway. i am sure, as always, there will be plenty of vets looking for a title who will be more then willing to put their hand up to play for the celts for next to nothing. <<I can think of at least 7-8 centers off the top of my head that I would expect to absolutely hose Perk.>> and those would probably be the elite centres who would destroy anyone. not saying perk is gonna be a superstar, but with a little more improvement he is a more then adequate centre, especially given the talent he has surrounding him. <<I think you have to give him a chance at least with Bynum back to see how he fits in.>> it would certainly be interesting to see how it would play out, but the double teams that kobe, gasol and bynum are gonna create a heap of open looks. with fish and another lights out shooter, i reckon the lakers would be close to unbeatable. and with gasol and bynum in the paint, plus kobe doing his thing, i think you are already getting enough points in the paint. with lamar slashing, the lakers become mu ... |
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| Back to slops... I also think that you don't necessarily need a spot-up shooter, you need guys who can - when they get the ball - score. Fisher/Farmar, Kobe at the 2, Odom, Gasol, Bynum are going to cause teams some very big headaches next season. Again - before mandati points it out - that's working on the assumption that Bynum's ok. Thus far, I've neither seen/read anything to put doubt on it tho'. And he has as his personal coach the guy who is arguably the best big man ever. And his name is *not* Shaq. |
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| <<if rondo developes a jump shot he could be an all star>> Hehe... please mandati... an All-Star? I don't think so... <<and powe and perkins both showed glimpes of what they could be if they want to improve.>> You have to remember that the Lakers defense did nothing to them. The disappointing thing about the Finals was that not for one game did both teams bring their A games. Pity. If you want pictures of who players are, DON'T look at the finals, look at the regular season, and the playoffs. Bynum? He doesn't need to be a star - he just needs to be good (for what it's worth - I think he *will* be a star). The impact he has is that everyone gets to play their positions... it's not a simple swapping in of better talent. Gasol 'will' be better at PF... Odom 'will' be better at SF - purely because that's their true respective positions. And WTF is everyone's boner on Bynum (around the internet)? He's only a few months older than Oden (not even 3 months), and the surgery he had on his knee was far less serious than Oden's, yet everyone's declaring Oden to be the second coming of Russell... before he's even played a single game of pro-ball (I DO think he'll be very, very good). mandati - you're getting all hyped up on Perkins? Bynum is three years younger. If we could be guaranteed of being around, I'd bet you that at the end of their respective careers, Bynum's will have been much, much better than Kendrick Perkins'. Simple fact is that no-one's guaranteed of being better. But the Lakers (like the Blazers) are taking no chances with their star bigman's knee. Wise. |
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| The only thing obvious is your err..bias(kidding) ..there is no guarantee bynym will be a star just cause he had a good start to the season.He could have injury plagued career yet. my biggest query when bynum comes back is , how are they going to share the ball? From what I have read and seen if rondo developes a jump shot he could be an all star ,and powe and perkins both showed glimpes of what they could be if they want to improve. (and I never said that you said the Lakers suck). I know this , and i never said that you said that rondo was a weak link..just havin some fun...same with the toon squad comment ,I guess my jokes are sh!thouse.. 'youre not jordan '...chant from boston fans when kobe was at the foul line.I had a chuckle over that one. |
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| Some excellent points sloppy... Some thoughts... 1. Maybe on the C's, but as stated, their most important pieces are getting older. Guarantee you one thing: at best, Pierce/Allen/Garnett are *as* good, they will not be better. Resigning Posey is - as you say - key. But even if they get him, they have to make small tweaks. Cassell & Brown will be gone, and as is often said in the NBA, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards. 2. Perkins is a decent center, but I think that looking for marked improvement in a guy that's already way surpassed expectations is a lil' much. As you say, he's 'competent'. But he'll never compete with the better big men in the league. I can think of at least 7-8 centers off the top of my head that I would expect to absolutely hose Perk. He's ancillary. 3. I disagree on Lamar... I think you have to give him a chance at least with Bynum back to see how he fits in. The issue is with the Lakers at the moment (immediately after the Finals) is that everyone only sees the Finals now, and seems to have forgotten how the Lakers arrived there. Simply a fact: Lamar Odom is a small forward. He lacks the physical presence to consistently play at the 4. Post Gasol's arrival, Odom was shooting at about 60%. And Gasol's got a decent jumpshot. Putting Bynum in is going to open up a lot of lanes for a slasher like Odom - if he can do it (mentally), then he produces match-up nightmares for teams. I agree with your assessment of Vujacic - he is too on/off. He's fine where he is. On the bench, on court sometimes. If I were the Lakers, I'm trying to offload Walton/Radmanovic. Buy out Mihm (NO-ONE will take him). |
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| <<Ok guys ,any bets on the celts going back 2 back??>> i think the celts are a real chance of going back to back. of the big 3, only ray ray seems to be slowing down, but in saying that, he proved during the finals that if you leave him open, he can still make you pay. the big one for boston to have any chance of b2b is resigning posey. he was the unsung hero of this team that will never get the credit he deserves for the celtics winning the title. <<The young guys they have - other than Rondo - are all very much ancillary players... maybe Powe might be decent, but maybe not.>> don, i think you are overlooking kendrick perkins. he will never be a star like rondo may end up being one day, but if he continues improving at the rate he did this year, then he will be a very competent starting C in this league. <<The addition of Bynum to LA isn't simply adding a big guy into the center... it means that Gasol's now your power forward, and Lamar Odom's your small forward. With Kobe at guard, that's a 6'8", 6'11", and 2x 7 footers in your line-up. Pretty nasty.>> if you have bynum as your C and gasol as your PF, i am not really sure you want lamar as your SF. having two dominating low post presences, i would think you need to flank them with some sharp shooters to open up the middle and make the defense pay if you leave them open. lamar does many things well, but he just isnt a particularly good jump shooter/3 pt shooter. sasha might be the man in years to come, but he looks a little mentally fragile for the time being(ie, crying on the bench). if the lakers could use lamar to trade for a sharp shooter like mike miller (unlikely given the last trade between lakers and memphis) or someone of his ilk, i think you could pencil them in for another trip to the finals next year. |
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| RIP NBL | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Mandati... do you think Michael Jordan got better by simply being 'older'? Just because Boston have a few guys (and a very, very small few) who are 'young', doesn't mean they'll get 'better' as they get 'older'. The young guys they have - other than Rondo - are all very much ancillary players... maybe Powe might be decent, but maybe not. The Lakers are a very young team. Conversely, a lot of the pieces they have - 1 in particular - have much bigger upsides than Boston. Sheesh dude... this is pretty obvious stuff (and I never said that you said the Lakers suck). <<He would have won with the toon squad from space jam during those years...>> Ummm... no. |
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| "He would have won with the toon squad from space jam during those years..." And then Porky Pig got traded to Miami.... |
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| "<<Seriously, are you saying that LA isnt Kobes team and they would have done just as well this year without Kobe? Would they have 3 peated in the early 2000s with just Shaq on board?>> Not sure that's what he's saying... but not sure period. Will be interested to see some clarification..." All im saying is LA is Kobes team. Whether you love him or hate him, they wouldnt have won 3 rings in the early 2000's with Shaq alone and they sure as hell wouldnt have been playing game 6 against the C's this year without him. Someone said a leader on the court doesnt make it his team. Hmmm. Well hes not coach and his performance night in night out drives that team to being one of the power houses in the West. And he almost does it alone. And hes but one man. The only other player in the comp at the moment who can claim that is James. |
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| Would they have 3 peated in the early 2000s with just Shaq on board?>> He would have won with the toon squad from space jam during those years... |
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