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| The Suns where definantly robbed last year. That decision was a series defining moment. Given Duncan, Parker, Ginobli and so on are extremely good players, the spurs were on the ropes before that incident happened. Imagine if Duncan and Parker were suspended instead of Stat and Diaw. I am sure Phoenix would have won easy and gone on to beat Cleveland as well. I watched the whole series and there just seamed to be so many bad decisions. Spurs are a rough team but sometimes they bordered ridiculous. Anyway that was last season and this season is a new season. Nashy will get his championship very soon. The suns just have to have things go right just like San Antonio did last season. Grant Hill is a very good add to a team that has already got alot of scoring power and he definantly is an asset. I don't think the team would be the same without Marion they definantly need that big 5 of Nash, Bell, Hill, Marion, Stoudemire too be healthy and too have any chace of winning the championship this year. Good luck to all contenders GO SUNS!!!!!!!!! |
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| Opinions are exactly that: opinions. But two things: show me where anyone's stated that the Spurs won it only because of the refs? And Timmy can get just as mouthy as the next guy... I do agree on Hill. I think people are selling him to be something he's not. |
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| I'm not sure how anyone can say the Spurs only won it because of the refs. When it comes to finals and winning when it counts, I will back the Spurs over anyone. Duncan is the best player in the game. Now I'm sure I'll be hearing some of you scream rubbish it's Kobe or Lebron. I don't believe that for a second. If you want a flashy dunker or someone that can drop 50 points a couple of times a year or get alot of stats that mean absolutely nothing, then sure those two guys are for you. Duncan is bread and butter. Compare Duncan's bad games to Lebron's bad games and you will see what I'm talking about. Many people complain he's too boring but what's wrong with a guy that shies away from the media spotlight and prefers to let his actions do the talking rather than mouth about how things aren't fair. The Spurs don't play the most attractive brand of basketball but if it's winning who cares. That being said I like the way the Suns play but it's hard to like someone like Marion, unless you have him on your fantasy team. Nash deserves a championship, I just don't think he's going to get one if things stay the way they are. Hill is NOT the solution. |
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| Not blaming the refs... blaming Robert Horry (tho' the NBA wears some of that - I think 'intent' should be key). And on Bowen - there were at least 2 incidents that should've seen him suspended prior to that game. And on suspensions - if the NBA had assessed fouls/actions as they did throughout the season, both Ginobli & Bowen would've been suspended prior to that game. And that's what gets me. To state "it's playoffs - you have to let a lil' slide" just doesn't work. The NBA let Bowen & Ginobli's actions 'slide', but then at the first opportunity to suspend Phoenix players they do? Reeks of double standards. |
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| <<And whaddaya MEAN "maybe the spurs had no one who could go with nash"???? They don't. Simple stuff...>> ummm, didnt they have bruce bowen guarding him??? nash is a warrior and a champion and still managed to put up decent numbers, but if anyone else in the league guarded him other then bowen in that series, he would have won that series himself. anyway, i wont blame the refs/nba administrators for phoenix losing. maybe that was a lousy rule that got amare and diaw suspended, but they did leave the bench, and the nba is *** scared of another artest incident happening again, so i say fair game. you need to have mental toughness and a bit of mongrel about you to win a title. thats something the spurs have and the suns dont. i would rather give the spurs their dues and say that they deserved to win it because of the great play of duncan and parker and their awesome team defense rather then say the only way they won was because 2 players got suspened from phoenix who did actually break the rule. |
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| ? You could make the opposite assertion very easily too sloppy: if they won game 5, and they head to San Antonio for game 6, would you bet against them? Or... even if it went to game 7, you'd bet against the Suns at home??? Thing is, Stoudemire was something the Spurs had difficulty defending too. And Diaw is the guy who would replace him. It's very, very simple: Take those two out and the Suns are a far lesser team... and yet they only lost game 5 by 3 points. No idea how you can blithely say 'nah', when even the Spurs' fans declared Rob Horry the difference maker, and not for his basketball, that's for sure. And whaddaya MEAN "maybe the spurs had no one who could go with nash"???? They don't. Simple stuff... As you say, anything could have happened, and if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. |
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| <<Players are always a factor - the Spurs had no-one who could run with Nash. >> maybe the spurs had no one who could go with nash, but duncans influence was greater then what nash brought to the series. also, in game 6, duncan had 9 blocks to go with 24 points and 13 boards. game 5 he had 5 blocks to go with his 21 and 12. he dominated both ends of the court, something nash rarely, if ever, did. <<Without a doubt, decisions made by referees decided that series>> IMO, the referee's decision only contributed to deciding the series, it didnt decided the series. take out the game that amare and diaw missed, and the spurs still lead the series 3-2. we can only speculate as to what may or may not have happened had these decisions not been made. as an example, maybe the suspensions fired the suns players up to the point that the played well above what they may have if amare and diaw were avaliable. maybe amare guards duncan and duncan tears him to shreds like he did for the rest of the series. and would you really bet against the spurs in a game 7, even away from home?? i wouldnt. anything could have happened. |
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| Games 4 & 5 Timmy had 21 points... game 6 he had 24. First 3 games, he was dominant scoring. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ummm... still disagree. Players are always a factor - the Spurs had no-one who could run with Nash. The hit on Nash basically took out Amare, AND the guy who would normally replace Amare on the court: Boris Diaw. Even so, the Spurs only won game 5 by 3 points. You're trying to tell me that Amare Stoudemire & Boris Diaw don't make up that difference??? Let's say it never happened, Phoenix win game 5, and we head back to San Antonio with the Suns up 3-2. Pressure's now on Spurs to win rather than vice-versa, and Phoenix have a game in hand back at the US Airways Center. Without a doubt, decisions made by referees decided that series. Bowen & Ginobli should BOTH have gotten suspensions - and neither did. The reason the Spurs were able to win may have been Timmy... but the reason the Suns actually lost that series was the hit on Nash. |
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| <<But I do disagree on the reason the Suns lost. The Suns lost because of the hit on Nash.>> don, the hit on nash definately cost the suns one game, but their inability to guard/stop duncan was constant throughout the whole series. IMO, duncan was what/who won the series for the spurs, with the hit on nash been a factor. |
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| Agreed sloppy on Grant Hill... and I don't think he'll have a huge impact anyway. Not the sort of impact that wins championships... But I do disagree on the reason the Suns lost. The Suns lost because of the hit on Nash. |
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| No need to just cut n paste the whole thing Stevo... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| tlkr, the reason the suns lost to the spurs was because they couldnt contain tim duncan. grant hill will help phoenix, but only in areas where they are already strong. the suns also lost kurt thomas, who was their best option to man up duncan (or any decent big). he did a fair job, but was still well beaten. the loss of thomas and failure to shore up their front court (unless you count brian skinner) will hurt phoenix a lot more then anything good that grant hill brings. IMO, spurs will beat phoenix a lot more convincingly this season should they meet in the playoffs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I have noticed that quite a lot of people (myself included) predict Phoenix to finish 1st and Spurs to finish 2nd. Yesterday I had someone tell me that I should have put Spurs first because they won the championship. Now that PHX has Grant Hill, I reckon they can beat San Antonio. |
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| hahaha... funny Don It was just that article. MVN had to get that one first. |
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| Reveal? lol... calm down Steve! Pretty soon you'll be worse than me! ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Now that I have posted my predictions on MVN's End of the Bench, I'll reveal them here. EAST: 1. Boston 2. Chicago 3. Washington 4. Cleveland 5. Detroit 6. Orlando 7. Miami 8. New Jersey WEST: 1. Phoenix 2. San Antonio 3. Dallas 4. Denver 5. Houston 6. Utah 7. LA Lakers 8. Golden State My full article: http://mvn.com/nba-endofthebench/2007/10/11/nba-pl ayoff-predictions/ |
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| Top 5 1- Phoenix; Allstars galore and the addition of Grant Hill should make them that little bit stronger if they stay all fit. I like the sound of Nash, Bell, Hill, Marion and Stoudermire. 2- Dallas; Still as strong as ever, there free fall last year must of really hurt so they will hungry to make a mends. 3- San Antonio; Don't really like San Antonios style of play, but they always seem to win so it works. 4- Boston; The big 3 What must I say. The only thing that may bother Boston is there back up core of players, but they still look good. 5- Denver; Time to mature Carmelo Anthony, take the game on like you did in the Fiba's. With A.I, Carmelo, JR Smith, Marcus Camby and Kenyon Martin they look like a very stong line up. Smokey; Watch out for Memphis they look really good and young, With the addition of Navaro and Milicic they will be one of the big improvers :) |
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| "I agree on most of them except Houston... what are they going to do this season that they couldn't the past few??" The big thing for Houston is can Yao and McGrady both stay healthy for the entire season. If they do with their better supporting cast this year they could end up with close to 60 wins, then again neither is known for their ability to last all year. TOP 5 1- Dallas 2-Phoenix 3-Houston 4-Chicago 5-Boston |
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| Actually... on Denver? I think the problems they had last season are only going to be greater. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I agree on most of them except Houston... what are they going to do this season that they couldn't the past few?? Houston has been booted out and replaced with Denver on my list... |
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| I KID I KID!!! 1. Phoenix 2. San Antonio 3. Houston 4. Utah 5. Dallas |
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| lol tlkr! I'm sure mine may change but... 1. Phoenix 2. San Antonio 3. Houston 4. Milwaukee 5. Minnesota (because Al Jefferson's a god!) |
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| 1 - dallas 2 - houston 3 - spurs 4 - phoenix 5 - utah/chicago i only put chicago in because i felt a little bad that i didnt have a team from the east. |
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