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| I am constantly amazed that Brisbane people are incapable of discussing their own team with out referring to Collingwood. ummm, the thread is about Buckley. Which two clubs did he play for ??? |
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| Looks like I haven't missed much..lol! WTF? 'Collingwood flop"...what? contesting the football? No snowflakes? Tell me you're taking the piss, chucker!????? |
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| and scored goals......... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| It was Bradshaw and Lynch as the two towers until 2003. This whole philosophy depends on midfield delivering quality ball before the opposition floods or double teams the forward. When the Lions midfield struggles , the key forwards will struggle. and Aker played in the midfield, as did Power. |
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| You know this is so ridiculoius that it's funny. I am constantly amazed that Brisbane people are incapable of discussing their own team with out referring to Collingwood. Why is that?? All i'm saying is that your lack of scoring options have cost you dearly for some years now. lethal says that himself in his commentary. A few weeks ago it looked like Voss was working a new plan that involved some more players and wider avenues to goal. But now it's all reverted back to the same old. Why?? Now this has nothing to do with Collingwood. We are travelling nicely and we can compare teams again after we meet at the MCG. For some reason i wish it was at the "Gabbatoir" |
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| chucker, i think you will find that when the Lions were good they had Lynch, aker, power etc all scoring goals as well as B1 and B2. It has been the loss of other avenues to goal that have seen the Lions fall short of making the 8 in recent years. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| nye - but they din't go down ok to end this whole bears v pies thing .. u want to compare these 2 teams........ ROund 4 2009 The Gabba Brisbane 10.13.73 Collingwood 13.12.90 GOALS Brisbane Lions: Brown 2, Dalziell 2, Selwood 2, Ad *** , Clark, Notting, Ri *** elli Collingwood: Medhurst 4, Davis 3, Lockyer 2, Anthony, Cloke, Swan, Thomas BEST Brisbane Lions: Ad *** , Dalziell, Power, Rich, Ri *** elli, Clark Collingwood: Medhurst, Pendlebury, Barham, Davis, O’Brien, Cox |
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| What is the whole point of this argument anyway??? Brisbane has two key forwards as their goal avenue, and have employed this tactic since 1999. When it works , it works well, and when it doesnt , it fails spectacularly. Having a lot of smaller players who pop up now and then to kick a few goals may get a team a lot of finals appearances, but the lack of a reliable goalkicking forward usually means teams dont win a flag eg Collingwood |
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| I heard all of that sort of rubbish last year Pies - the Hawks can't win, all it takes is Buddy or Roughie to go down, blah, blah, blah! Bradshaw played a couple of games down back, leaving Brown 'alone' in the forward line, they still did very well. They have more variety than you are giving them credit for. |
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| WTF has that got to do with Brisbane 2009???? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| What were the scoring options when Malthouse coached both his flags??? Sumich and Heady | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No they don't. If you lose Brown OR Bradshaw you don't have the firepower. It's too easy to shut down one of them. Even if the other scores eight goals you don't have the other players to make the difference. |
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| Look at the Hawks last year Mighty. Buddy, Roughie, Willo - 3 major goal scorers, the rest would only contribute from time to time. The Lions have a forward line capable of getting them up in finals. |
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| Time will tell No one wins flags in June and July but, having watched the Collingwood flop all day on Saturday ie when outnumbered , dive on the ball drag it in, and run in numbers to the ruck contest, Collingwood's plan will struggle against the good teams, or any umpire who decides to umpire by the letter of the law. |
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| i think what Pies is alluding to is the fact the lions are short on scoring options. only three players have made it past double figures for goals this year, that has to be a concern for any coach as it has been that way over the past couple of seasons. So it may be the improvement in defence that is saving your season. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| The Lions play a defensive game,and it has worked - despite a few key injuries to their backline. Rich adds a goal scoring element to the midfield, Brennan has stood up as a genuine target and the pressure is being relieved from the twin towers. Power, Black and Rich, in particular, are really getting them flowing through the middle - all they need to do is learn to start games better. Their second halves tend to be fantastic, but they begin very slowly, so they play a lot of catch up footy. I said at the end of last season that they had a lot of very talented kids coming through - some have had a taste, and I maintain that they will only get stronger. I tipped a top 8 finish this season, I will call it now - they will make top 4 in 2010 (if not this year). |
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| Here's an interesting stat to go with that, how many times this millenium, including those years you pointed out we finished 10th, has Brisbane lost a game when their opposition kicked under 10 goals? 1, in 2003. So rather than looking at the score at all costs mentality lethal tried to employ last year, I think Voss has realised a solid defence wins games and sets up tilts at flags. |
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| I have been looking at my club syndrome, just making comparisons off your ill-informed views, and you'll notice we have achieved better results this year despite reduced inputs from Bradshaw and Brown, so what does that tell you? The midfield ARE involved, the defence is stronger DESPITE missing key position defenders for large chunks of the year. last year we kicked plenty but leaked like an asylum seekers boat at the other end, this year we kick steady scores and have shored up the defence. Already we've had 5 games where our opponents have been kept under 10 goals, last year, for the whole year, we had one. Any other irrelevant and ill-considered points you'd like rebutted? |
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| If I had to rank the Pies and Lions sides, right now, I'd have the Lions a touch ahead. Collingwood are playing well, the Lions just look ruthless though - I'd back them head-to-head 3 out of 5 times. |
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| Hey Isc.... Just try having a look at Brisbane for once. They are the side that's finished tenth the last few years. They finished tenth because while Jonothon basks in all his glory of being such a great goal kicker, the team around him fall apart. It hasn't worked for you in the past 5 years and all you can do is defend "The Plan". Take off the Rose coloured glasses, forget the CR@P fitzy goes on about and realize that you have to involve your midfield into your scoring plan. You have only managed one 18 goal game all year. Mostly less than 15. But hey, don't look at your own club will you. Geez |
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| Geelong only managed 15 goals against the bootom side, and st kilda only 11! Write em off syndrome, they'll NEVER win a flag with games like that! That's bad any way yu look at it, right? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Yes Isc you are right. Brisbane are the premiership favourites, they have an outstanding game plan and Voss has taken them to another level. haha |
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| syndrome, have you looked at the recent results of teams against the dees? Essendon had 36 scoring shots, Brisbane and Collingwood 31, St Kilda 28, Hawthorn 29, Bulldogs, 29, West Coast 30, Geelong 36.. seeing a trend. The dees flood like Bangladesh in Monsson season, the fact that we kept them to 7 scoring shots to 3/4 time, and 16 for the match, as opposed to say collingwoods effort of 15 to 3/4 time and 20 for the match, or hawthorns 18 to 3/4 time and 27 for the match says it all. Brown kicked 5.1 and Bradshaw 4.2, so that's 12/31 scoring shots. Most sides haven't bothered massacaring the dees, the lions demolished them in every aspect for 3/4 and then went home. Whilst I'm not happy about that, you're using a poor example, we boosted our % by virtue of the fact we doubled their score, we kept them to a score lower than Collingwood (twice), essendon, geelong, hawthorn, bulldogs have all managed to do. I would say there is nothing bad in that result. And whatever you say about the collingwood saints game, see the same for brisbane, except we made a game of it while your lot rolled over and played dead. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I don't think the saints game was any comparison at all. We had a reserves side in that day due to six injured players. Same against carlton although we managed to get inside 50 more than they did. That's not an excuse just facts. And we have lost those games and still manage to be in top four. But our destiny is in our own hands now. We have a near full list,(except pendlebury, maybe davis) and we have the buulldogs twice coming up. If we can beat the doggies and Brisbane then top four is ours. I think Carlton will get a reality check when we meet them again. We had pretty near to a full list when we played cats and that was a good game. 27 points in the end I think. Chucker you still have your blinkers on. A game against Melbourne would have been a good chance to try some changes, but ohhhh know, lets make Jonothon the Coleman medalist at all costs. I hope he shares that medal with the whole team if he wins it. It's a very expensive medal. You played the bottom side at your "Gabbatoir" and only managed 16 goals. 9 from the two B's. No matter what way you look at it that's bad. You won't beat top teams with that sort of score. You wanted percentage and you didn't make the most of it. Don't turn this back on the pies chucker just look at the facts. I would have thought by mid season Voss would have had the team evolving with a winning strategy. But as you say, he has just kept to the same old formula. Why??????? Because it's worked in the past!!!!!! |
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| "Will the Lions be competitive against top teams come finals time or be too reliant on B1 & B2" What, you mean like beating the bombers and Adelaide by over 6 goals? That kind of competitive? Losing by 16 points to the unbeaten saints with 7 first choice players out injured? Is that what you mean by competitive? We've lost 5 games, only one of them by more than 4 goals, all against teams in the 8. Yes we had an bad day against Geelong, you guys had two off days last year Brat, need I remind you of those? What were plans b and c for thommo those days? As chucker says, 1 game off 3rd, some good games coming up and if the game plan has held up despite the kind of injury concerns others have used as a bit of an excuse for poor performances (no names, hawks, north..) then I would say we're doing alright. |
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