By: givemeanidnow_07
20/08/2007
5:46 pm Yahoo! Profile:
givemeanidnow_07 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
http://au.news.yahoo.com/070820/2/148ca.html
Descendants of Holocaust survivors have higher than average rates of depression, anxiety and trust problems three generations on, Australian research shows. |
|
By: jmck12v90
20/08/2007
6:10 pm |
Message deleted. Reason: Potentially defamatory |
|
By: cantgetaloginname
20/08/2007
8:04 pm |
Message deleted. Reason: Personal attack |
|
By: nessa_sarily_so
20/08/2007
8:05 pm |
Message deleted. Reason: Potentially defamatory |
|
By: jmck12v90
20/08/2007
8:10 pm |
Message deleted. Reason: Potentially defamatory |
|
By: johnny_wiseguy
20/08/2007
8:14 pm Yahoo! Profile:
johnny_wiseguy Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| There could be some epigenetic effect. Those sorts of things are thought to affect genetic switches. This is currently being researched and is not a foregone conclusion. |
|
By: bzet1
20/08/2007
8:16 pm Yahoo! Profile:
bzet1 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| they forget to tell us that according to just after the 2nd war estimates there were 150000 to 250000 survivors... they must somehow multuply as according to todays' estimates there still is 600000 survivors... |
|
By: nessa_sarily_so
20/08/2007
8:28 pm Yahoo! Profile:
nessa_sarily_so Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| Everry sunday..the family dinner...in the war we had no food, we had to eat roaches..you kids don't know how good you have it...every sunday....all your life...it would depress you |
|
By: givemeanidnow_07
20/08/2007
9:04 pm Yahoo! Profile:
givemeanidnow_07 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
It's funny if I had started this thread under the World section the anti-Muslim league would have crucified me.
Wonder how long “some” of the Jewish people think the guilt card is going to keep working for. No doubt Shirl will now attack me as being a racist and anti-semitic but never mind. |
|
By: hooamikidding
20/08/2007
9:29 pm Yahoo! Profile:
hooamikidding Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| Is this trauma one of those afflictions that only money can ease, or a genuine grief & loss issue. I suppose it depends on how may lawyers get involved. |
|
By: polynesiachick
20/08/2007
9:45 pm Yahoo! Profile:
polynesiachick Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| Can a decendant of Romany [Gypsies] survivors of the holocoust make claims also the other people who suffered along with the Jewish survivors. |
|
By: hooamikidding
20/08/2007
9:52 pm Yahoo! Profile:
hooamikidding Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
""Can a decendant of Romany [Gypsies] survivors of the holocoust make claims also the other people who suffered along with the Jewish survivors""
Homosexuals & negroes were also victims if I remember correctly. |
|
By: oggster8606
20/08/2007
9:52 pm Yahoo! Profile:
oggster8606 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
"Can a decendant of Romany [Gypsies] survivors of the holocoust make claims also the other people who suffered along with the Jewish survivors"
A decendant? lol they can try. But they don't have the backing nor are they able to play the guilt card as effectively.
You will find that most camp survivors would think these sort of claims to be in very poor taste. |
|
By: polynesiachick
20/08/2007
10:04 pm Yahoo! Profile:
polynesiachick Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| Hmm, pretty much what I thought and agree that many of the survivors themselves would be wondering. Its one thing to actually have to survive the actual attrocities but another to just have to listen to the rememberance [even though the tales may very well be traumatic to the listener]I feel its slightly insulting to many of the holocaust survivors. |
|
By: shir2lou
20/08/2007
10:41 pm Yahoo! Profile:
shir2lou Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
Gypsies, homosexuals, cripples, mentally challenged people etc. were not put into concentration or labour camps.
They were "disposed of" so there is no one left to make a claim against Germany, unfortunately
Well may some of the ignorant people here laugh. Maybe they should see the mental condition of many of these people and their children.
My daughter was married to the son of Holocaust survivors and because of their instability, the home was a very disfunctional one. Because of this both children are extremely unbalanced. |
|
By: patriciaheaton6969
20/08/2007
10:43 pm Yahoo! Profile:
patriciaheaton6969 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| agreed shirl |
|
By: wharfy_7000
20/08/2007
10:44 pm |
Message deleted. Reason: Offtopic |
|
By: patriciaheaton6969
20/08/2007
10:44 pm Yahoo! Profile:
patriciaheaton6969 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
| wharfy is sick |
|
By: cantgetaloginname
20/08/2007
10:46 pm Yahoo! Profile:
cantgetaloginname Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
***
Can a decendant of Romany [Gypsies] survivors of the holocoust make claims also the other people who suffered along with the Jewish survivors.
***
Nah they can't, because they don't have any money. |
|
By: wharfy_7000
20/08/2007
10:47 pm Yahoo! Profile:
wharfy_7000 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
wharfy is sick
________________
is that anything like being a bitter ole mole?
cause i wouldnt know.. |
|
By: polynesiachick
20/08/2007
11:05 pm Yahoo! Profile:
polynesiachick Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
The entire gypsy camp at Auschwitz, of 4000 people, was exterminated on August 1, 1944:
Set up as a family camp, the Gypsy unit rapidly deteriorated and became extraordinarily filthy and unhygienic even for Auschwitz, a place of starving babies, children and adults. B. insisted that there were "sufficient rations...delivered to the camp for all of them to survive", but that certain adult Gypsies of high standing kept most of the food, thus denying it to all others, including hungry children. The Auschwitz leaders, "shocked" by the situation, came to the conclusion that it was virtually impossible to change it and that the only solution was to "gas the entire camp." According to B., Mengele strongly opposed that decision, made several trips to Berlin to try and get it reversed, and went so far as to declare to other Auschwitz authorities that annihilating the Gypsy camp would be "a crime."
[Most other sources agree that Mengele was in favor of killing the Gypsies.]
Prisoner doctors who had worked there at the time told me that Mengele seemed to be all over the camp at once that day, actively supervising arrangements for getting the Gypsies to the gas chamber. He had been close to some of the Gypsy children-- bringing them food and candy, sometimes little toys, and taking them for brief outings. Whenever he appeared, they would greet him warmly with the cry, "Onkel ['Uncle'] Mengele!" But that day, the children were frightened. Dr. Alexander O. described the scene and one child's plea to Mengele:
Mengele arrived at around eight o'clock or seven-thirty. It was day-light. He came, and then the children....A Gypsy girl of eleven, twelve,....the oldest [child] of a whole family--maybe thirteen, with malnutrition sometimes they grow less. "Onkel Mengele [she calls], my little brother cries himself to death. We do not know where our mother is. He cries himself to death, Onkel Mengele!" Where did she go to complain? To Mengele--to the one she loves and knows she ... |
|
By: polynesiachick
20/08/2007
11:06 pm Yahoo! Profile:
polynesiachick Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
The entire gypsy camp at Auschwitz, of 4000 people, was exterminated on August 1, 1944:
Set up as a family camp, the Gypsy unit rapidly deteriorated and became extraordinarily filthy and unhygienic even for Auschwitz, a place of starving babies, children and adults. B. insisted that there were "sufficient rations...delivered to the camp for all of them to survive", but that certain adult Gypsies of high standing kept most of the food, thus denying it to all others, including hungry children. The Auschwitz leaders, "shocked" by the situation, came to the conclusion that it was virtually impossible to change it and that the only solution was to "gas the entire camp." According to B., Mengele strongly opposed that decision, made several trips to Berlin to try and get it reversed, and went so far as to declare to other Auschwitz authorities that annihilating the Gypsy camp would be "a crime."
[Most other sources agree that Mengele was in favor of killing the Gypsies.]
Prisoner doctors who had worked there at the time told me that Mengele seemed to be all over the camp at once that day, actively supervising arrangements for getting the Gypsies to the gas chamber. He had been close to some of the Gypsy children-- bringing them food and candy, sometimes little toys, and taking them for brief outings. Whenever he appeared, they would greet him warmly with the cry, "Onkel ['Uncle'] Mengele!" But that day, the children were frightened. Dr. Alexander O. described the scene and one child's plea to Mengele:
Mengele arrived at around eight o'clock or seven-thirty. It was day-light. He came, and then the children....A Gypsy girl of eleven, twelve,....the oldest [child] of a whole family--maybe thirteen, with malnutrition sometimes they grow less. "Onkel Mengele [she calls], my little brother cries himself to death. We do not know where our mother is. He cries himself to death, Onkel Mengele!" Where did she go to complain? To Mengele--to the one she loves and knows she ... |
|
By: polynesiachick
20/08/2007
11:07 pm Yahoo! Profile:
polynesiachick Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
sorry for double post:
Mengele--to the one she loves and knows she is loved by, because he loved them. His answer: "Willst du die Schnauze halten!" He said it in a common, vulgar way....but...with a sort of tenderness..."Why don't you shut your little trap!"
Others told how Mengele combed the blocks, tracking down Gypsy children who had hidden, and how he himself transported a group of those children in a car to the gas chamber--drawing upon their trust for him and speaking tenderly and reassuringly to them until the end.
Lifton, pp. 323; 185-186. |
|
By: oggster8606
20/08/2007
11:15 pm Yahoo! Profile:
oggster8606 Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
"Gypsies, homosexuals, cripples"
Cut the crap out.
For starters "cripples". If you're going to say that then any vet with a severe disability from WW1 or WW2 was disposed of were they?
As for Gypsies and Homosexuals, I will agree that relatively few Gypsies survived the camp system. But most transports of gypsies faced the same selection criteria as others and they entered the system as labourers. Where they differed from many other groups is that they often faced execution en-mass to make room for new, healthier labourers.
As for homosexuals they entered the camp system just like any other "anti social" category prisoner. Only German homosexuals were persecuted - not those in other territories - so they did not usually go through the selection screening that is associated with the death camps.
I think you will find their survival rate was less than other prisoners that entered the system as "anti social" elements but better than those imprisoned on racial grounds. |
|
By: crazymadmonster
20/08/2007
11:19 pm Yahoo! Profile:
crazymadmonster Did this message offend you?
Sign in to report abuse |
Reply to this message |
givemeanidnow_07,
i saw in part a doco, my wife relayed the research findings to me s i came home toward the end. Subsequent stuff i have read is at the cutting edge of human understanding of the effects of trauma and how it is imprinted on subsequent generations.
Researchers are not sure of what to do , since they are so surprised by the findings.
Greater application of the knowledge to the whole of mankind
might change how we view what people should be exposed to ?
Be kind to your fellow man and the whole position changes?
My mother was from Poland , there are no living relatives that we know of. My mother was poorly adjusted, who knows what the cause was since she never talked about what happened.
Crazy |
|
