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By: king_bast
29/06/2009
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"This carbon tax is a complete con job."
Theres' no bigger con than vvank stains like Al Gore and Prince charles claiming that they have 'offset' their carbon footprint beacsue they paid some guy half way across the world to plant a tree. Somehow that makes up for the thousands of litres of Avgas they use jetsetting to 100 countries a year. Fkn burns me up it does! But what burns me up even more, is that you have plebs BELIEVING them! |
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By: king_bast
29/06/2009
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Al Gore's posh home in the Nashville suburbs might be "carbon neutral," but it still uses a lot of power.
So much that last August Tipper and Al Gore used twice as much electricity in their two-building property as an average U.S. household uses in an entire year, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a think tank, reported Tuesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254908,00.html
THIS is the global warming messiah! Hypocrisy abounds! |
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By: lkarnd99
29/06/2009
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It looks like the U.S. have beaten the Rudd government to the punch......
The story here:
http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/top-stories/1456 766/
And a Video of one Congressmans objection to the Bill, and about how it was railroaded through the corrupt U.S. Congress in the middle of the night....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rPpSdCMGAA&eurl=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwhatreallyhappened.com%2F&feature=playe r_embedded
We should ensure that we know the full implications of our Plan and let our politicians know what Australians feel about getting ripped of by a fraudulent tax on our activity...
Remember this is additional to GST that we already pay on on all Goods and Services..... Will it be offset against other taxes we pay? |
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By: lkarnd99
3/07/2009
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I'm confused.... The Carbon Tax proponents say that it is required because CO2 rising in the air causes the greenhouse effect, and thus Global Warming...
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If the canary is still singing, we're okay
(CO2 is heavier than air)
By Robert Felix
24 Jun 09 - Last weekend I took a whirlwind trip to Chicago. While there I visited the Museum of Science and Industry. It's an amazing place, with full-sized airplanes, a full-sized combine, a full-sized train engine, and an entire German U-boat, the first U-boat ever captured.
But for me, the highlight was taking a tour through a replica of an old coal mine.
After descending "deep into the bowels of the earth," we were given a safety talk. The tour guide pointed to a tiny birdcage which, in one of those old-time mines, would have housed a canary.
As long as the canary continued to sing, the miners knew that carbon dioxide (CO2), carbon monoxide (CO), and methane (CH4) levels were safe. Canaries have very small lungs that are more quickly affected by these gases than human lungs.
If the canary stopped singing, the miners knew to skedaddle....... Fast.
Too much CO would poison the miners, too much methane would explode, and too much CO2 would suffocate them.* (Carbon monoxide is far more lethal than CO2.)
The deeper into the ground the miners dug, the more dangerous it became, because these gases - which are heavier than air - have a tendency to accumulate at the bottoms of coal mines.
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By: lkarnd99
3/07/2009
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Lest you missed that, let me say it in a different way.
CO2 is heavier than air.
Isn't CO2 supposed to be rising high into the sky and creating the greenhouse effect and therefore causing global warming? Isn't CO2 supposed to be a thin layer of invisible gas lurking somewhere a hundred or so miles up in the sky, reflecting heat back onto our planet?
How in the world can CO2 be rising into the sky and creating the greenhouse effect if it's heavier than air? Isn't it more likely to be accumulating down around my feet?
"CO2 most certainly does not form some sort of magical layer in the atmosphere that then acts like a greenhouse," says analytical chemist Hans Schreuder. "That is pure pseudo-science!"
"CO2 is about 1.5 the density of air," agrees Dr. Tim Ball, former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.
"One of the great fallacies promoted by [the proponents of the global warming theory] is that CO2 is well and quickly mixed through the atmosphere. It isn't.
They also argue that the CO2 is most effective in trapping heat from the Earth (infrared) at the top of the atmosphere. This is why the computer models predicted greatest warming at the top of the atmosphere over the tropics. The problem is the actual measurements show that is not happening."
Do you suppose, just maybe, that we're not getting the full story?
Listen to the canary. If the canary is still singing, we're okay.
P.S. I'd love to hear from some underground miners on this.
British coal mines began phasing out the canary in favor of electronic detectors in 1986.
Miners were said to be saddened by the decision, because they often whistled to the birds and coaxed them as they worked, treating them as pets.
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By: lkarnd99
3/07/2009
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See: 1986: Coal mine canaries made redundant
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/d ecember/30/newsid_2547000/2547587.stm
Thanks to Hans Schreuder for this link
* Current levels of CO2 are said to be 385 ppm (parts per million). Here is what wikipedia says about levels and their effect.
"CO2 is toxic in higher concentrations: 1% (10,000 ppm) will make some people feel drowsy. Concentrations of 7% to 10% cause dizziness, headache, visual and hearing dysfunction, and unconsciousness within a few minutes to an hour.
Notice this is at levels up to 70,000 and 100,000 ppm. |
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By: dvlish1au
3/07/2009
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*the CO2 levels when dinosrs roamed were said to be 10x tdays levels
*nitrous oxide & methane are said to be far worse than co2
*the 'hot air' that the ALP produces is whats causing global warming
as for GCM id guess global climate model/s/ling etc |
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By: lkarnd99
3/07/2009
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The introduction of a Carbon Tax will provide business and governments with another method of screwing the workers out of their assets, particularly when carbon tax credits become tradeable on the stock exchange and futures markets, and the crooks start manipulating the markets as they have done to create our current economic crisis.
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Looks like this is exactly what they are going to do...
Rolling Stone expose: Goldman Sachs behind every market crash since 1920s
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/07/rolling-stone-exp ose-goldman-sachs-behind-every-market-crash-since- 1920s/
Goldman Sachs has played a crucial role in creating every market bubble since the 1920s -- and has profited from not only the bubbles, but from the crash that followed as well, says a new expose in Rolling Stone magazine.
An article in the July 9-23 issue of the magazine, written by Matt Taibbi, lists five asset bubbles that the 140-year-old investment bank helped create -- and one that Taibbi asserts the firm is currently working to make happen.
The five bubbles the article says Goldman was central to creating are the Wall Street stock bubble in the 1920s, which led to the Great Depression; the tech-stock bubble of the late 1990s, which ended in the 2001 recession; the housing bubble of the past decade, which resulted in the current economic crisis; the oil price run-up last summer, when oil shot up to $140 a barrel, likely helping tilt the entire world into recession; and what Taibbi describes as "rigging the bailout," when Goldman Sachs' well-placed alumni inside the U.S. government engineered last fall's bank bailout in such a way that the company profited massively.
Taibbi writes that Goldman Sachs has traditionally been a late arrival to market bubbles, getting in once others have started the trend, but, once in, the company quickly ramps up the bubble, predicts its bursting, and then hedges its bets so as to make money from the bubble crash.
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By: lkarnd99
3/07/2009
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The article, which is not yet officially available online, adds one more bubble to the list: the "global warming bubble," or specifically, the proposed cap-and-trade legislation that would allow companies to trade pollution credits on an open market.
Taibbi's argument suggests the Wall Street bank may well want to turn climate change policy into yet another Wall Street casino game.
Because emissions caps will continually be reduced, Taibbi argues, pollution credits will constantly be growing in value, and Goldman Sachs wants in on the ground floor.
Taibbi writes: "The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation, (2) make sure that they're the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is -- a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues."
On his blog, Taibbi has begun a discussion of the public reaction to his article. Some commenters have suggested that Taibbi's understanding of high finance is limited, accusing him of misreading Goldman Sachs' actions.
-- Daniel Tencer |
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By: lkarnd99
7/07/2009
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The U.S. Senate has soundly defeated the Cap and Trade Bill making it dead in the water.......
http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/politics/514870/
We need to make sure that the Rudd government also abandons it, as the U.S. Senate establishes an inquiry into the background to this Bill..... |
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