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| After the initial blast [Flight 11 hitting WTC 1], Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said. [Traverse City Record Eagle 9/11/2001] |
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| "Just before the fall of the North Tower, we saw a large explosion coming from the street-level area around World Trade Center 7. I remember thinking that it looked distinctly like a bomb had been detonated underneath the city, and, of course, that's exactly what I thought had occurred." |
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WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." |
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Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. ..."All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. |
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By: longweekend58
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1 person to do all of 9/11?
well assuming that superman is only in comic books then that is a ridicuous answer - the kind you expect from a non-thinking consipracy theorists. hundreds, if not thousands had to be involved in at least a small way - AND KNOW IT. yet noone has said a thing or even suggested it.
This is the sticking point on which your theories fail. total and utter lack of witnesses and evidence from those involved. it is simple not credible to believe that noone would say a thing.
Speaking of not credible... your posts are just that - non-credible. |
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By: longweekend58
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JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU DEFLECTING LUNATICS!
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD IT TAKE TO FAKE THIS TERRORIST ATTACK? |
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By: stop_the_war_today
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19 December 2005
One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. The FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered. But two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. |
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Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane's speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a *** pit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane's *** pit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane's tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.
All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery. |
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By: kratos500027
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"well assuming that superman is only in comic books then that is a ridicuous answer - the kind you expect from a non-thinking consipracy theorists. hundreds, if not thousands had to be involved in at least a small way - AND KNOW IT. yet noone has said a thing or even suggested it."
Did I say one man did it? You know I didn't so dont be a tool. Only one man need know the true purpose and spread bullshit to everyone else involved. Whoever is head of the cartel. Obviously his inner circle would wield immense power also, so that filters down the chain to the very bottom. |
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But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (The FBI denies the whole story.) Moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition (and the cleanup of the World Trade Center was meticulous, with even tiny bone fragments and bits of human tissue being discovered so that almost all the victims were ultimately identified). As Ted Lopatkiewicz, director of public affairs at the National Transportation Safety Agency which has the job of analyzing the boxes' data, says, "It's very unusual not to find a recorder after a crash, although it's also very unusual to have jets flying into buildings." |
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Now there is stronger evidence that something is amiss than simply the alleged non-recovery of all four of those boxes. A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.
"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."
The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. "No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center," says the NTSB's Lopatkiewicz. "At least none were delivered to us by the FBI." He adds that the agency has "always had a good relationship' with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis. |
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For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. "To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them," says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.
What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.
If the information in those boxes is recoverable, or if, as is likely, it has been recovered already, it could give crucial evidence regarding the skill of the hijacker/pilots, perhaps of their strategy, of whether they were getting outside help in guiding them to their targets, of how fast they were flying and a host of other things.
Why would the main intelligence and law enforcement arm of the U.S. government want to hide from the public not just the available information about the two hijacked flights that provided the motivation and justification for the nation's "War on Terror" and for its two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq, but even the fact that it has the devices which could contain that information? Conspiracy theories abound, with some claiming the planes were actually pilotless military aircraft, or that they had little or nothing to do with the building collapses. The easiest way to quash such rumors and such fevered thinking would be openness. |
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| Instead we have the opposite: a dark secrecy that invites many questions regarding the potentially embarrassing or perhaps even sinister information that might be on those tapes. |
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| SO, STOPTHEWAR? can u answer my question or are you so blind that all you can do is cut and paste and leave you brain (and your integrity) in neutral? |
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| I believe your question has been answered. |
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"hundreds, if not thousands had to be involved in at least a small way - AND KNOW IT."
how do you get to such a high figure ?
george bush tells us a few handfuls of muslims did it.
a guy called bin laden on a camel in a cave with a walkie talkie organised it all.
but it would take 1000s of yanks to do it ? |
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<I believe your question has been answered.>
if that truly IS your answer then you have demonstrated perfectly why everything you say is worthless. one person... too absurd to do anything but laugh at.
THESE are the reasons no-one beleives you. because when asked a single simple question, you fail repeatedly because you dont sprout facts, you sprout ideology.
You are a fool and you just demonstrated it perfectly. |
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<"hundreds, if not thousands had to be involved in at least a small way - AND KNOW IT."
how do you get to such a high figure ?
george bush tells us a few handfuls of muslims did it.
a guy called bin laden on a camel in a cave with a walkie talkie organised it all.
but it would take 1000s of yanks to do it ?>
to achieve this result - including detonating bombs in all these buildings - and then be able to effectively blame alqaeda would require more than 3 or 4 people. And you know it (or should). SOMEONE SOMEWHERE would talk - but they havent. Until you can put forward a credible explanation of this your other so-called facts are meaningless because the crumble beneath the weight of impossibility. |
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"if that truly IS your answer then you have demonstrated perfectly why everything you say is worthless. one person... too absurd to do anything but laugh at."
youre not reading what i've written. You are too blind to see the truth. |
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"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.
"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.
He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.
"They have to cover it up," he said. "That's where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can't do the job."
The Pentagon's Inspector General "partially substantiated" several of Minnery's allegations but could not prove officials tried "to manipulate the financial statements."
Twenty years ago, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin C. Spinney made headlines exposing what he calls the "accounting games." He's still there, and although he does not speak for the Pentagon, he believes the problem has gotten worse.
"Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year," he said. |
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<"if that truly IS your answer then you have demonstrated perfectly why everything you say is worthless. one person... too absurd to do anything but laugh at."
youre not reading what i've written. You are too blind to see the truth.>
you said one person. if a person puts explosives in the WTC he KNOWS. the people who supposedly got rid of all the evidence? they know. the air force and traffic controllers? they know. etc etc |
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"you said one person. if a person puts explosives in the WTC he KNOWS. the people who supposedly got rid of all the evidence? they know. the air force and traffic controllers? they know. etc etc"
You ever heard of a need to know basis? Security clearance?
You should have. |
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Share speculators have failed to collect $2.5m (£1.7m) in profits made from the fall in the share price of United Airlines after the 11 September World Trade Centre attacks.
The fact that the money is unclaimed more than a month later has re-awakened investigators' interest in a story dismissed as coincidence.
It may be that investors who were able to predict the share price crash so skilfully are reluctant to be seen profiting from tragedy. But investigators now wonder whether there is a more sinister explanation.
The authorities are examining the possibility that if they knew what was coming, traders were intent on taking their profits immediately, before regulators had woken up to any possible scam. But investors failed to foresee that the first response of the US stock markets to the disaster was to suspend all trading for four days, thereby denying them the chance of cashing in their profits.
Further details of the futures trades that netted such huge gains in the wake of the hijackings have been disclosed. To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the "put" options -- where a trader, in effect, bets on a share price fall -- on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by "Buzzy" Krongard, now executive director of the CIA. |
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| I am not in the business of false flag attacks. I'm sure that those who are, are very good at their jobs. |
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<You ever heard of a need to know basis? Security clearance?
You should have.>
not wanting to labor the point, but obviously having to. The example of the guys putting explosives in the WTC. on sept 11 they didnt put two and two together? they wouldnt have worked out that THEIR explosives blew up the building? need-to-know expires when the place literally blows up in front of you. Just how do you genuinely think all the people who would have had to be involved, still dont think they were involved because of 'need-to-know'. o course they know.
Yet no-one has said a thing! because nobody knows anything. because it wasnt a govt plot. |
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