By: amazonia61
10/07/2008
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"And if you consider the photos to be similar to those that appear in Penthouse ... well you obviously see things in them that I do not"
I did not say the photos were similar to those that appear in penthouse.
My point was.... which would be more exciting to a paedophile? The image of a clothed child or the image of a naked child.
I was asking you which image you find more sexually appealing. While "straight" men might masturbate over images of clothed women, they are infinitely more aroused by the image of a naked woman. The same thing is true of paedos and children, I'd imagine. |
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By: thy.nemesis
10/07/2008
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>> By: amazonia61
""Where is the social good in wandering up to an 11 year old kid and telling them that there could be an old man whacking off over one of their pictures?""
Where is the social good in using the image of a naked child to make a point or earn money for a magazine? <<
Actually, this 11 year old child was asked to tell the media why it was not abuse...
What kind of abuse was she talking about? |
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By: amazonia61
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""I knew not to talk to strangers from a very young age, I knew nothing of paedophiles until much later ... there is vigilance and then there is hysteria."
I maintain that I the point I am making has nothing to do with hysteria.
I am stating the reality of the situation and you STILL have not directly answered any of my questions.
Clearly, you are unable to do that and still maintain the strength of your position. Therefore, I will discontinue this conversation with you as there is absolutely no point in pursuing it further.
In closing, let me state that, as a responsible parent, I would NEVER allow the image of my naked child to be displayed anywhere. Apart from the reality of misuse of the image, I do not feel it would be my place to make a decision for my child that she might live to regret when she is old enough to understand the repercussions of the actions I agreed to on her behalf.
Many a grown woman has later regretted posing naked.
No responsible adult has the right to place their child in that position. |
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By: lefowlerau
10/07/2008
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"will increase sales of this magazine enormously and make some one a bucketload of money."
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Art Monthly? Bucketloads of money???
Oh that's so precious. Do you mind if I show my colleagues that one? |
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By: thy.nemesis
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"Stranger danger has become painfully real in our immediate neighbourhood (and wider region) over the past couple of months - with several reports of attempted abductions plastered in every school newsletter and local rag..."
Since a couple of our local primary school children were targeted by the man/men in question, there have been a number of school assemblies held to warn the children of the risks...
There isn't much point in the Principal telling these 5 to 12 year olds not to take lollies from a strange (wo)man, or accept a lift home from him/her, or pat his/her dog - unless there is a real danger explained... |
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By: amazonia61
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"Art Monthly? Bucketloads of money???
Oh that's so precious. Do you mind if I show my colleagues that one?"
You don't see the irony, do you?
This month is probably the only month they will break even in their sales figures.
Good night. |
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By: lefowlerau
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I have actually answered your questions.
Just because i do not see filth in the same places as you; just because i think it is obscene to wander up to an 11 years old child and explain that "somewhere, maybe" some old man is masturbating over them; just because I am not going to base my decisions on what goes on in the mind of some paedophile does not mean I have not answered your questions. |
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By: amazonia61
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| You keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night, buddy. |
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By: lefowlerau
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"There isn't much point in the Principal telling these 5 to 12 year olds not to take lollies from a strange (wo)man, or accept a lift home from him/her, or pat his/her dog - unless there is a real danger explained..."
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Thy, this is where the balance tips as far as I am concerned, why is it necessary to discuss the sexual habits of paedophiles to children?
I don't remember hearing these things and I never spoke to strangers. |
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By: lefowlerau
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"This month is probably the only month they will break even in their sales figures.
Good night."
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Erm ... you are aware that Art Monthly is not-for-profit, aren't you? |
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By: amazonia61
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COVER PRICE
Available in good bookstores and newsagents
Per issue AUD$9.95
Yeah. I'm sure they'll be really upset if they sell twice their usual quota. |
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By: lefowlerau
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"Yeah. I'm sure they'll be really upset if they sell twice their usual quota."
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Yes, I am sure they will all be able to retire to the Bahamas on the proceeds.
Oh that's right, not-for-profit! |
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By: greatgranswisdom
10/07/2008
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<<<<* Also in year 7, another naked man sits masturbating in his car as we run past on our bi-weekly PE run around the neighbourhood...>>>>
I couldn't say I had a sheltered childhood, but I don't recall anything like this....I assume you advised your PE teacher, took the registration number of the car and the police were called.
<<<<<* On train, Thy alone, man in trenchcoat sits opposite masturbating with pen!s fully exposed - Thy cannot remember much of the 1/2 hour that followed...>>>>>
I presume the train was virtually empty.....as I'm sure if this was not the case, drawing the attention of any adult males on the train to the activity you describe, would have prompted, at least one of them, to politely tap the "gentleman" in question on the shoulder, and suggest he waits till he gets home to indulge in this activity.
If this happened to me, when I was a child, I would certainly remember the initial period of the following 29 minutes and 59 seconds.....as this period would be occupied by.....assuming, as I would suspect, the train was not crowded......moving as quickly as possible to another part of the carriage, and at the next stop....moving to an adjoining carriage.
<<<<Oh, and that's just the direct incidents that made the most impression - sister was gang-raped and another girl from same school was attacked at knifepoint on her way home...>>>>
Which brings me to the comments in my other post on this issue ......what has this photo got to do with gang rape and knifepoint attacks....as well as sexual abuse by relatives?
I really don't care if we can stop all this public masturbation, gang rape, knifepoint attacks ....as well as the far more usual abuse by relatives.....by all these perpetrators sitting at home.....looking at pictures ....and .....confining there activities to this.
If pictures could be used as a substitute.....and their activities were ENTIRELY limited to looking at pictures......is this not a preferable thing? |
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By: leeethal2
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| Trouble is Gran, as with any addiction, they will want pictures which depict worse and worse things. |
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By: greatgranswisdom
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| And just to state the obvious....I do not refer to images of child pornography .....images involving the sexual abuse of children. |
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By: greatgranswisdom
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That was quick lethal!
My folowing post was meant to exclude exactly what you describe.
But is what you say a proven fact?
There is so little resarch into this, that I think needs to be done. |
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By: wadejohn75
10/07/2008
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Explain to 6 yr old children what a PERVERT is and any exhibition of a PERVERT'S behaviour will be recognised by a child and reported to officials or any adult within cooee. And possibly create fear for the child, but fear may be better than ignorance.
I recall a g/f telling me that her mother left her and her 2 sisters to be baby-sat by two young males 14 - 15 when she was a 6 yr old and they attempted digital and penile penetration of her. Fortunately she escaped them, but even though she was not aware of the perversion of the incident, she knew that it was a serious attempt at something that was violating her body.
If I told you the process of attempted rape of this 6 yr old, this would be enough to excite a PERVERT.
So, by your own discussions and word pictures you could be arousing any PERVERTS, RIGHT NOW. Should you be then asked to stop commenting in forums?
Should an artist use naked children for art work? Not in my opinion, but my opinion is irrelevant.
A PERVERT will get off on whatever a PERVERT can imagine, with or without the pictures. |
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By: longweekend58
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| Ive seen penthouse and Ive seen art monthly. there is NO comparison! |
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By: greatgranswisdom
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<<<<A PERVERT will get off on whatever a PERVERT can imagine, with or without the pictures.>>>>
Frankly wade.....there could be 100 or 100 million of these "perverts" ...."imagining with or without pictures".....right now.....and frankly I don't give a damn.....as long as it occupies them .....and they don't do what thy mentions.
Is it an issue that should not be discussed on forums for the reason you suggest?
Like any issue, is sweeping it under the carpet and not discussing it, ever lead to solutions? |
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By: longweekend58
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<Like any issue, is sweeping it under the carpet and not discussing it, ever lead to solutions?>
paedophilia is an issue that wasnt talked about for centuries. Not it is. sweeping under a carpet is ALWAYS a bad thing. |
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By: wadejohn75
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<"Is it an issue that should not be discussed on forums for the reason you suggest?
Like any issue, is sweeping it under the carpet and not discussing it, ever lead to solutions?"> greatgranswisdom
great gran, did you read my response clearly, as in:
"Not in my opinion, but my opinion is irrelevant."
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I never considered your responses to be anything less than informative and well seen, but now I wonder do you read in a post what you want to read? |
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By: greatgranswisdom
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<<<So, by your own discussions and word pictures you could be arousing any PERVERTS, RIGHT NOW. Should you be then asked to stop commenting in forums?
Should an artist use naked children for art work? Not in my opinion, but my opinion is irrelevant>>>
Sorry wade... after re-reading the above several times.....I will now link the "not in my opinion" to the entire paragraph....and not, as I did, to the immediately preceding sentence.
I stand corrected. |
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By: leeethal2
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I know you weren't referring to porn Gran, and yep I was quick, just about tis all...
I don't have any links but have been told by counsellors and psychs who helped me when I was younger..guess they were trying to explain my experience I went through this rubbish when I was a kid unfortunatley. :( |
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By: leeethal2
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| to be clearer, one day it seemingly innocuos pics. next its somthing more risque, and the sad process continues, until the pics require a child to suffer for them to get their rocks off. |
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By: ausgal951753
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The goes back to the church,
2000 years ago we were all comfortable with the human body, even though we did not understand it like we do today.
The people worshipped the earth, nature and we thought of our bodies as part of nature.
Since the church was invented, we have been told to cover our bodies, as we know some religions even have women hide under sacks of cloth.
The result after 2000 years of brainwashing is that we feel uncomfortable with our own naked bodies.
Since the c |
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