By: combehoney
24/05/2008
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| The law's the law and taking photos of naked 12/13 year old girls, posting them on the internet and then putting them up in a gallery, is against the law. End of story. Will it stop there? The artist may then decide, or someone else will, that hey, we can take photos of naked young children. Next time it may be a naked underaged girl and a naked underaged boy in the shoot. Then what? With all the child protection out there today, all those laws, having to have Working with Children checks done before working with children, these photos are simply crossing the law boundary and those involved should be prosouted, if only to stop others. Otherwise we are a hypocritical society. |
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By: gospellady732002
24/05/2008
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| you've got that right- but while we're on that subject 2000 years ago probably this would have been allowed- Caesar would have loved it- BUT WE ARE GROWING UP ARE WE NOT?????? |
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By: mcsurfboards
24/05/2008
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War photography can in no way be compared to what is passed as art!
therein lies the problem of definition! any photographs are art,especially war photos that portray any and all aspects of war! |
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By: mcsurfboards
24/05/2008
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My partners brother in-law has a photography business and has taken some really nice photos of young parents semi nude with their newborn babies.
In the current climate of fear and distrust,I wonder if you were caught with semi nude photos with your baby....?? Having not seen the actual photo of the 13 yr old,who possibly looks older....one can only trust the police's view of what is accepptable and or not! |
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By: plotrick1
24/05/2008
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*The law's the law and taking photos of naked 12/13 year old girls, posting them on the internet and then putting them up in a gallery, is against the law. End of story.*
It's not that simple. You can flick through statutes until your hands fall off, but you'll never find legislation that say 'Any person who photographs a naked 12 or 13 year old shall be guilty of an offence'. There are offences against state law relating to child pornography, and to 'indecent material' generally, but the question of whether these images would fall within either of those definitions is by no means a simple one. Commonwealth law also prohibits use of the internet &c to transfer such child pornography and so forth, but that again requires that the material can be legally described as such.
Unfortunately, the legislation is not particularly helpful, in that it doesn't define what constitutes 'indecent material'.
I'd be surprised if the matter proceeds, and pretty shocked if anyone is convicted of any offence. |
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By: lefowlerau
24/05/2008
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I think the interesting thing about this argument is that it seems that it is merely about whether the subjects are wearing clothes or not.
If you beleive these photos are "sexualised", then you might want to stop your young teen from watching video hits or reading dolly, or listening to R Kelly or watching a lot of advertisements on television (esp ringtone ads) or etc etc ....
The messages (and the images) in these, I would think, are much more explicit unless you beleive that the naked form is much more suggestive than a 12 year old wearing high heels, a skimpy top and a ton of make-up.
Khia's "My Neck, My Back" is often played on these early morning shows that cater for the teen market and the promotion of the record in this country was squarely aimed at teens as well (beleive me, I get a lot of free downloads from record companies on the proviso that I provide a review and indicate which demographic the song would appeal to).
You think this is obscene but don't care that teens are walking around singing "My neck, my back, lick my *** and my crack"
Suppose its best to leave the hard targets alone (after all, they keep the kids busy on a weekend) and go for the artist ... just so you don't actually look like a hypocrite. |
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By: poddlingpumpy
24/05/2008
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And huge corporations - you know the ones who makes Bratz dolls, the ones using ultra-young, emaciated kids as models, who use young girls in advertising and who are essentially teflon-coated, re: public opinion?
And what is it all over? This: O O | .... two brown circles and a hyphen. What weirdos we all are. |
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By: dnarever2
24/05/2008
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" he told the Herald this week he had chosen to work with children at the beginning of puberty because they were "half in childhood, half in the adult world" and this "creates a floating world of expectation and uncertainty". He told the Herald in 2006: "It's an impossibly oversimplified notion, this 'loss of innocence'. It's not like you cross a painted line on the floor; it's a progression."
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Sounds reasonable ground for an artist to me. I have not seen the pictures but others of his are definatly artistic in nature and well presented, none of his work looks to be crude or exploitive.
I think it is probably ok but would need to see the pictures in question to come to a definitive conclusion.
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By: poddlingpumpy
24/05/2008
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Oh, and the fact that Herald-Sun readers love to get outraged over anything that requires them to exercise their creative senses.
One is reminded, at times like these, of the words of Hermann Goering:
"Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my revolver" |
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By: gibbot5000
24/05/2008
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"I liked his work, and that amazed me. Not for any sexual reason, more so that I see it for what it is, Artistic, challenging, technically interesting, no doubt beautiful and confronting.
Doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have used underage subjects though."
I enjoyed the whole post, Ripfelix. It's good to see someone opposing the work rationally and from an aesthetic viewpoint.
My stance on this is not formed out of a love for the artist, nor out of any desire to look at pictures of naked children. There are two real issues of contention, as far as I can see:
1) Whether this artist's work is pornography, which I think we clearly agree it is not.
2) Should the expression of art be governed by the whims of populist thought. The point wherein we differ.
Those that can see only a naked child seem to me to have missed the obvious intention of the artist, and surely intent should be a consideration when determining the suitability of art for public display. |
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By: a.patrici
24/05/2008
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Those that can see only a naked child seem to me to have missed the obvious intention of the artist,
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obvious intention ....
Which was ...? |
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By: gibbot5000
24/05/2008
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| Case in point. |
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By: a.patrici
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| You can't tell me, in your own view? |
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By: lefowlerau
24/05/2008
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"Those that can see only a naked child seem to me to have missed the obvious intention of the artist"
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Don't know gibbot. Maybe that's the point. All we see IS a naked child. It is up to those veiwing the photo to see her/him as either a thing of beauty or a sexual being.
Obviously, the wowsers on these boards cannot see the subject as anything but sexual, and that worries me a little. |
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By: monicaafryer
24/05/2008
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dassaultmirage5
i totally agree with you where were the parents and why did they give approval of their children to be photographed. i think there is more to this than meets the eye.
maybe the parents are involved in some sort of ring and didnt expect the photos to get so much attention. jail the parents and put children in care of relatives or foster carers.
this just comes out just after miley cyrus photos but at least she was covered and was with her father billy ray. |
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By: plotrick1
24/05/2008
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*maybe the parents are involved in some sort of ring and didnt expect the photos to get so much attention. jail the parents and put children in care of relatives or foster carers.*
Maybe the parents are robotic space lizards from the future, stranded on Earth. Their time machine/ spaceship is out of fuel, and they need to return to their home planet by next Wednesday. Unlike our Earth vehicles, the spacecraft of the robotic space lizards from the future run on photographs of nude children, an infinite and entirely clean fuel source. Wit the confiscation of these images, they are unlikely to return home in time, and we shall all be held to account. |
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By: seven_au_2000
24/05/2008
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This debate about Bill Henson’s images prompts more questions about our society than it does about Bill Henson.
One has to wonder, if it was a young indigenous Australian girl photographed nude in the Australian outback would the PM have said it was “revolting”? Would people still consider this to be pornography?
There are still large groups of people in this world that can look at images of naked people without thinking impure thoughts. Wasn’t it was our western Christian ancestors that ate of the forbidden fruit, saw that they were naked, and were ashamed? These western ideals were then forced upon the rest of the world in much the same way as other notions of appropriateness, one of which our country recently apologised for. |
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By: lefowlerau
24/05/2008
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"Maybe the parents are robotic space lizards from the future, stranded on Earth. Their time machine/ spaceship is out of fuel, and they need to return to their home planet by next Wednesday. Unlike our Earth vehicles, the spacecraft of the robotic space lizards from the future run on photographs of nude children, an infinite and entirely clean fuel source. Wit the confiscation of these images, they are unlikely to return home in time, and we shall all be held to account."
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Stop reading my thoughts plotrick. |
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By: lefowlerau
24/05/2008
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"maybe the parents are involved in some sort of ring and didnt expect the photos to get so much attention"
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So they put them up in an art gallery.
There's no fooling you .... is there. |
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By: plotrick1
24/05/2008
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*Stop reading my thoughts plotrick.*
Never. The robotic space lizards gave me these powers, and I shall fight to the last to retain them. |
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By: reidsays
24/05/2008
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"thats your child and for your own private use."
monica......*ouch*....be careful what you say...reread your sentence?
considering family is the source of the majority of child abuse...this is definitely extremely bad wording....i hope you didn't mean it in the way it could clearly be perceived!!!! |
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By: gibbot5000
24/05/2008
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| fkn robotic space lizards. They just don't respect orstrsayan values. |
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By: plotrick1
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'fkn robotic space lizards. They just don't respect orstrsayan values.'
For real. They're like the most ethnic immigrants you've ever come across. They probably ought to go back to where they came from. |
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By: longweekend58
24/05/2008
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<You think this is obscene but don't care that teens are walking around singing "My neck, my back, lick my *** and my crack"
Suppose its best to leave the hard targets alone (after all, they keep the kids busy on a weekend) and go for the artist ... just so you don't actually look like a hypocrite.>
Well said. I was at a shopping centre and saw two girls about 10 dressed in what could only be called 'prostitute clothes'. My kids agreed with me. The difference between them and this girl in the photos is what? Both had parents that displayed questionable taste; both were in public. But who among the screaming posters here wants to have this mum charged with promoting prostitution?
The answer is simple. You use your intelligence and that rational part of your thinking process that seems to disappear so often in internet forums. Men are often accused of thinking with the 'wrong head'. But some of the people on here arent using ANY head. |
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