By: rebel_eureka
16/05/2008
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/sydney-terror- raids/2008/05/16/1210765123777.html
Counter-terrorism police raided two Sydney homes, seizing documents and computer equipment this morning.
Police said the coordinated raids took place in Glebe and Riverwood, in the city's inner west and south-west respectively.
No-one was arrested but documents and computer hard-drives were seized for examination, police said.
The raids were part of a joint operation between NSW police and the Australian Federal Police.
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Looks like we have terrorists in our midst.
Bring all our troops home from Afghan, they're needed to attack terrorists here before these terrorists kill us. |
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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My guess is ANOTHER addition to an impressive list of bungles by the Australian Federal Police
The Australian Security Intelligence and the Australian Federal Police are under fire over the mishandling of terror charges against Sydney Muslim medical student Izhar Ul-Haque and Gold Coast-based Indian doctor Mohamed Haneef.
Several ministers and high-ranking officials in the previous government played central roles in the Haneef affair, including then immigration minister Kevin Andrews and AFP commissioner Mick Keelty.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ,22882862-17044,00.html
A SENIOR counter-terrorism officer with the Australian Federal Police has testified that police were directed to charge "as many suspects as possible" with terrorism offences in order to test the new anti-terrorism laws introduced in 2003.
The admission was made by federal agent Kemuel Lam Paktsun, the senior case officer on the Operation Newport investigation that led to the arrest of Sydney medical student Izhar Ul-Haque, whose trial was sensationally dismissed in the NSW Supreme Court yesterday.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ,22748933-601,00.html
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By: porcipinepie
16/05/2008
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My guess is ANOTHER addition to an impressive list of bungles by the Australian Federal Police
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So it was bungled was it oh sage of the internet message board.
And on what do you base this assumption. What the lawyers said, what was reported in the papers?
Hasn't anybody told you not to believe everything you read in the papers.
Naturally the lawyers are going to present their case in the best possible light for their client in the hope to get the Australian public on side, the same as the Australian government presented limited information to try and support and justify their stance to the Australian public.
Perhaps you should peruse the Crimes Act 1914 section 70
CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 70
Disclosure of information by Commonwealth officers
(1) A person who, being a Commonwealth officer, publishes or communicates, except to some person to whom he is authorized to publish or communicate it, any fact or document which comes to his knowledge, or into his possession, by virtue of being a Commonwealth officer, and which it is his duty not to disclose, shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who, having been a Commonwealth officer, publishes or communicates, without lawful authority or excuse (proof whereof shall lie upon him), any fact or document which came to his knowledge, or into his possession, by virtue of having been a Commonwealth officer, and which, at the time when he ceased to be a Commonwealth officer, it was his duty not to disclose, shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: Imprisonment for 2 years.
unfortunately the lawyers left out this part of the information, that the government was limited with what it could say and released only enough information to justify incarcerating the person while further investigations were conducted.
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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'So it was bungled was it oh sage of the internet message board.
And on what do you base this assumption. What the lawyers said, what was reported in the papers?'
Haneef case,
NO EVIDENCE
Proceed with gusto regardless
All charges quashed
Defendent fully aquitted
BUNGLED
Ul-Haque case
NO EVIDENCE
Proceed with gusto regardless
All charges quashed
Defendent fully aquitted
BUNGLED
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By: porcipinepie
16/05/2008
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Not bungled idiot - just not properly defended by the AFP as they had not enough time to investigate.
Monetary ties quite convoluted involving a number of countries, communal computer equipment that usage and involvement with would need thourough investigation.
Allegations of falsification of documentations of one person of interest that the relationship was close enough too, to leave Keys, car and Laptop with, while claiming the relationship not very close - requires further investigation.
Bungled - NO
Obstructed - Yes. |
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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'Allegations of falsification of documentations of one person of interest that the relationship was close enough too, to leave Keys, car and Laptop with, while claiming the relationship not very close - requires further investigation'
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AFP 'withheld' Mohamed Haneef evidence
FORMER immigration minister Kevin Andrews had no idea of powerful evidence of Mohamed Haneef's innocence when he controversially revoked the visa of the then terrorism suspect last year.
Mr Andrews will tell the Rudd government-ordered inquiry into the bungled case, which opens today, that Australian Federal Police did not inform him of evidence debunking allegations against Dr Haneef's second-cousin Sabeel Ahmed - allegations that had led to the subsequent terrorism charge against the Gold Coast doctor.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,236 21280-662,00.html
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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It was November 6, 2003. Evening. A man alights from a train at Blacktown Railway Station. His brother, aged 17, waits for him at the station. As he enters the car park on an otherwise ordinary day, three people approach.
"Izhar Ul-Haque?" one asks.
"Yes" he replies.
"I am an officer of the Australian Security Intelligence and I would like to have a private discussion with you and we need to have that discussion now."
Full details....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/16/2093 146.htm
Ul-Haque is, in the end, charged with ... well, that's beside the point. Because on 12 November 2007, the case against Ul-Haque collapses.
Earlier this month, Justice Adams' scathing condemnation of the ASIO officers' investigation found unlawful, intimidating and deceptive behaviour, false imprisonment, kidnapping: "a gross breach of powers".
Yet again, a terrorist case bites the dust.
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
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By: rebel_eureka
16/05/2008
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| The city's full of terrorists, drug barons and gangsters...my guess is that finally the cops are getting serious about arresting them. |
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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| My guess is that if they make enough random arrests, they might eventually stumble on a terrorist |
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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'Charge suspects to test terror laws'
A SENIOR counter-terrorism officer with the Australian Federal Police has testified that police were directed to charge "as many suspects as possible" with terrorism offences in order to test the new anti-terrorism laws introduced in 2003.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ,22748933-601,00.html
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By: taipan_western
16/05/2008
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Re:Sydney terror raids (PREVIEW)
'So it was bungled was it oh sage of the internet message board.
And on what do you base this assumption. What the lawyers said, what was reported in the papers?'
Haneef case,
NO EVIDENCE
Proceed with gusto regardless
All charges quashed
Defendent fully aquitted
BUNGLED
Ul-Haque case
NO EVIDENCE
Proceed with gusto regardless
All charges quashed
Defendent fully aquitted
BUNGLED
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Buzz do you actually know what the word "acquitted means. Look it up and see who has
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
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16/05/2008
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By: lefowlerau
16/05/2008
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"My guess is that if they make enough random arrests, they might eventually stumble on a terrorist"
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LOL buzz.
You might be onto something there. |
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By: rebel_eureka
16/05/2008
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Haneef case,
NO EVIDENCE
Proceed with gusto regardless
All charges quashed
Defendent fully aquitted
BUNGLED
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Not bungled. |
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By: buzzanddidj
16/05/2008
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'Buzz do you actually know what the word "acquitted means. Look it up and see who has
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
BUNGLED'
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ac·quit (-kwt)
tr.v. ac·quit·ted, ac·quit·ting, ac·quits
1. Law To free or clear from a charge or accusation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/acquitted
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By: uncle_37
16/05/2008
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| I live in Lakemba and feel safe here as the police helicopter is going overhead constantly and I have nothing to hide.....at least the Australian and State police services are trying to keep us safe....as they say "where there is smoke there is fire." |
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By: rebel_eureka
16/05/2008
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I live in Lakemba and feel safe here as the police helicopter is going overhead constantly
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Wonder why that is? |
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16/05/2008
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By: porcipinepie
16/05/2008
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FORMER immigration minister Kevin Andrews had no idea of powerful evidence of Mohamed Haneef's innocence when he controversially revoked the visa of the then terrorism suspect last year.
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The Jihad confession email
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3. Do not inform anyone about me or my deed (and I mean anyone).
4. If they figure out it was me (I have tried to clear up my tracks as much as possible) then go ahead and tell them whatever they ask of you (about my PhD and the project on global warming and my trip to Iceland and give them my comp if they ask).
And of course this is going to put you in trouble (Allah forbid). Say only that which is necessary. And please don't argue. Try to continue as normal but appear shocked.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bthe-jihad-con fession-emailb/2008/04/13/1208024978809.html
Rather than regurgitating bull that you might have read in the papers, how about you actually read the material put out there.
Rather than describing the e-mail Kafeel Ahmed sent to his brother as absolute proof that the case was bungled, you might like to look at the fact that the only bungling that went on was the fact that the investigation was stifled.
The Fact That Kafeel used a False Name That was Recognisable to his Brother should have been enough to ring alarm bells.
Bungled - No
Stifled - yes |
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By: uncle_37
16/05/2008
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now you are really the "Man from Uncle"
your a very brave man "gunga din " to admit that you have survived accomodation conditions in lakemba !
and lucky to not have your computor stolen and your wife and ya kids and ya car ........
PS have you been robbed ?
yes I have been robbed....1 packet of lollies ($1.70) not happy as 1 stole the other not...both not welcome here and I'm a aussie and have muslim friends here.....ssshhhhh...under cover....DAMMMM..didn't say that :-) |
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By: taipan_western
16/05/2008
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Re:Sydney terror raids (PREVIEW)
'Buzz do you actually know what the word "acquitted means. Look it up and see who has
BUNGLED
BUNGLED
BUNGLED'
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ac·quit (-kwt)
tr.v. ac·quit·ted, ac·quit·ting, ac·quits
1. Law To free or clear from a charge or accusation
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/acquitted
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I guess thats why the dictionary is free.
How about.
1:declare person not guilty.
2:deliverance from a charge by verdict.
He was not declared NOT GUILTY as he was never charged therefore he has not been acquitted.
Time will tell as to if he is charged.
Do you really think that the Commonwealth police, ASIO, MI5 and god knows who else are going to tell all they know?? Off course not. |
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By: dishpanhands67
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I thought the Borg Family Motto was to Assimilate into the Collective.
Or maybe I have been watching too much Star Trek. |
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By: sealord2shore
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By: rebel_eureka
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Re:Sydney terror raids (PREVIEW)
The city's full of terrorists, drug barons and gangsters...my guess is that finally the cops are getting serious about arresting them.
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Yep, no doubt about that. Once you cut the head off the snake, there'll be peace in the valley. The ones to target are the lawyers, corrupt judges and do-gooders at all levels. With them out of the way, it shouldn't be all that hard to tackle. |
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By: dishpanhands67
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Yep, no doubt about that. Once you cut the head off the snake, there'll be peace in the valley. The ones to target are the lawyers, corrupt judges and do-gooders at all levels. With them out of the way, it shouldn't be all that hard to tackle.
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So what are you suggesting - that we sit on our hands because it is all too hard.
Everything has to start somewhere. oh we wont investigate this because it is too hard, we'll just let it go....
Then others out there watching see that and they think well we got away with this so lets push it just a little further, and see what else we can implement...where does it stop!!! |
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