By: rebel_eureka
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Corruption saw him sent to Vietnam?
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,2204 9,23700687-5001021,00.html
Sixties pop star Normie Rowe political pawn in Vietnam
SINGER Normie Rowe - Australia's most famous conscript - is questioning how he came to spend a year fighting in Vietnam after learning his birth date was never drawn from the ballot.
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By: srvjau
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| And here he was a couple weeks ago saying he would do it all again if he was asked. Every war machine needs a "face" to human i s e their campaign and looks like normie was it, unfortunately. Kinda like that chick in the states who became the face of the Iraq conflict over a now bogus kidnapping and rescue. |
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By: rebel_eureka
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| NEVER trust the govt man...Elvis 'dad' in a movie said it TRUE! |
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By: md_rose_anne
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I heard he got some teenager up the duff and that he was sent to Vietnam instead of jail as punishment. Who knows?
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By: rebel_eureka
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How many others did they call up whose birthdays didn't drop from the army's lottery barrel?
They fake one, they'd fake others. |
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By: neocon37
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| A bit late now is it not? |
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| Wow man, were we in vietnam, i's got ta lay off these pills man! |
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A military historian has denied claims that 60s pop idol Normie Rowe was wrongly conscripted by the Australian Army in 1967.
Rowe said earlier he realised his birth date was not one of the days that was drawn in the conscription ballots that year.
But a historian with the Australian War Memorial says supplementary ballots were held for men who were absent from Australia when their age group was first drawn.
She says Rowe's conscription was valid.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/15/2245 816.htm
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By: bias0007
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Never trust the govt.
Never trust the cops.
Never trust anyone >>
Good advice...especially the first one
<< Corruption saw him sent to Vietnam? >>
I remember Rowe being conscripted...the word got around that if he was conscripted, other 20yr olds would willingly follow...or almost willingly
Asian Australians were exempted from call up.
Only 20yr olds who were considered "passive" were called up (thousands had just finished their apprenticeships and there were no vacancies in their trades...preference was given to regular recruits which meant many trade conscripts were sent to infantry...some were killed)
Young Aussie tradesmen, just out of their apprenticeships who suffered at the hands of animal politicians who didn't care and still don't care about the myriad of sufferings by conscipts, during and after call up. I was one of them
Many Vets committed suicide...many suffered emotional and mental problems...some went bush to get away from a society that didn't give a stuff about them...a society that just carried on as if nothing had happened
Corruption is a mild word to describe the politicians...they were real Barstards...they turned their backs on conscripts and every time the libs suffer I feel a twinge of pleasant revenge |
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| And never trust anyone who post on these message boards |
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By: rebel_eureka
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Asian Australians were exempted from call up.
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of course.
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By: rebel_eureka
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Now Vietnam has massive red flag parties to celebrate its victory over America and us!
It sentences our citizens to death for drug crimes...at the same time as our govt gives it our tax dollars in aid...but nothing for OUR disabled, pensioners and carers in the budget.
It killed OUR soldiers, did commie Vietnam, and now we love it and give it our money!
Not me!...I don't love commie Vietnam....not one bit.
I don't buy any of its products...ever.
Not its Basa fish[Mekong River catfish]...they were calling it Pacific Dory!...nothing.
It's NOT Dory and it's never been anywhere near the Pacific.
It's banned in America. |
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By: rebel_eureka
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| Peeling potatoes is one of the 'good' jobs...less chance of getting a leg blown off by a land mine. |
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| Trueblue is a small little man with a smaller little manhood |
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| Trueblue, you call yourself a name that is quintessentially Australian, but you appear very anti Australian. The word, HYPOCRITE, comes to mind. |
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You get my name right sunshine, then I may give limited consideration to answering your, as yet, hard to decypher, post.
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By: peaceleo69
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heard Normie interviewed today-says he was touring in WA-when a journo rang him up and asked him how he felt about being drafted.
He said he hadnt even heard.
It was a few days later; when his Mum rang him up to tell him.
He was p'd off ;that the press had been told before he was.
Said when he turned up;they told him all the things they
had planned for him.
He told them if he was called up-he was going to Vietnam;he wasnt going to play thier propaganda games.
He said the whole time eh was there; he had a photographer following him-looking for 'that' photo.
luckily; he survived and they didnt get it.!
He said he only played 3 concerts there during his tour.
He is especailly pleased with all the mates he made and says he can drop into a RSL club and meet someone he knows.
I remember a little while ago ;when he was diagnosed with PTSD and one of the people interviewing him at DVA-told him he couldnt have it-because he was famous!
There is another report-I will post; that says he had a supplementary marble drawn-so why idnt the copper have the same marble drwn then??
Same deal as Elvis-poster boy for the Army!!
Normie wasnt as comliant tho! |
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By: peaceleo69
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Normie Rowe 'legitimately' conscripted
15th May 2008, 16:33 WST
Sixties pop singer Normie Rowe was conscripted to fight in the Vietnam War fair and square, the Australian War Memorial (AWM) says.
Rejecting suggestions Rowe had been wrongly sent to Vietnam, AWM historian Libby Stewart said his birthdate - February 1, 1947 - had been drawn in a supplementary ballot conducted on September 8, 1967.
At the height of his fame, Rowe was conscripted into the army for two years and served in Vietnam, becoming Australia's most famous national serviceman.
He complained on Thursday that his birthdate had never been drawn in the ballot, a view seemingly confirmed by the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Rowe said he only discovered this mistake when booked for speeding by a policeman with the same birth date - but who wasn't called up.
"He said 'Oh I was born on the same day as you I see. Why did you get called up and I didn't?'," Rowe told ABC radio.
"And that was quite some years ago and I haven't really bothered chasing it too much because there's nothing much I can do about it all these years later.
"I mean the damage is done and you get on with your life."
Rowe said being conscripted had ruined his music career and voiced suspicions the federal government of the time had played a part in his call-up.
National service - known as nasho - was introduced in November 1964. It was intended to boost army numbers but has since become inextricably associated with the Vietnam conflict.
Young men turning 20 were required to register, with a ballot held four to six weeks after the close of each registration period. That involved drawing marbles from a barrel, each representing a particular birthdate.
In Rowe's case the confusion appears to stem from his trip to London to record for his booming music career.
Ms Stewart said for each ballot, men aged 20 were required to register in the weeks prior to the ballot. |
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By: peaceleo69
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Men who were overseas were required to register on their return for a supplementary ballot.
"In 1967, the supplementary ballot for all those who had been out of the country was held on September 8 for all eligible 20-year-old males born in the first half of 1947. This ballot included 39 birth dates, including February 1, 1947," she said in a statement.
Ms Stewart said details of all national service birthdates were tabled in the House of Representatives by Labor MP Clyde Cameron in 1973, but were not published in the Hansard Report at the time.
Full details of all ballots were first published in the official history of Australia's involvement in South-East Asian Conflicts, called A Nation at War by Peter Edwards in 1997.
AAP
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By: peaceleo69
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Bungle took Normie Rowe to Vietnam WarArticle from: AAP
Alan Howe
May 15, 2008 08:00am
SINGER Normie Rowe is asking how he came to spend a year fighting in Vietnam after learning his birth date was never drawn from the ballot.
The Sixties pop star, whose hits include Shakin' All Over and It's Not Easy, revealed yesterday that the truth dawned on him after receiving a speeding ticket.
Now Rowe, who was opposed to conscription but said he would serve if drawn in the ballot, is wondering whether it was just an administrative blunder or part of a battle for hearts and minds over Australia's role in Vietnam.
Explaining how he first became suspicious a mistake had been made, he said: "I was pulled over for speeding. The policeman who booked me remarked that we shared a birthday. I asked him what year he was born. He said, 'the same as you, 1947'."
Rowe knew that anyone born on the same day must have been called up. But when he asked where the policeman had served, he got a blank look. Rowe said: "He said he hadn't been called up."
Putting it down to an administrative error in favour of the officer, he tried to ignore it, but now and then it bothered him.
Now The Daily Telegraph has confirmed the policeman never did national service because the birth date they share - February 1, 1947 - was never drawn during the ballots that determined which unlucky boys would be drafted.
Department of Veterans' Affairs spokeswoman Kym Connolly said: "I can confirm that that date was not one of the dates picked in that year's ballots."
The ballots of birth dates to choose those to be conscripted into the army were held between 1964 and 1972. More than 800,000 20-year-olds registered for national service, 63,735 of them served, 15,381 went to Vietnam, and 504 were killed.
Rowe had registered for national service amid frenzied scenes at the Sydney GPO in July, 1967. He had been constantly asked what he would do if his birth date came up. |
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Rowe said: "I said I'd serve. It was already on record that, as much as I opposed conscription, I wasn't going to try to get out of it."
Modest Rowe was more than a mere success. He was a one-man Beatles with thousands of girls screaming at his concerts.
He could have avoided his army year by staying in London where he was recording, and he might have become an international star.
"I could have stayed in England, but I would have sullied my name," he said. "I'd have been using a position other people didn't have.
"I said to them: 'If you call me up I am going to be a soldier. I am not going to be different to anybody else'."
The record shows that Rowe - whose career as a pop star ended on February 7, 1968, at Puckapunyal - served with distinction in Vietnam.
His support for Vietnam veterans' causes since has endeared him to the nation. He is surprisingly accepting of the possibility he was set up.
"I could spend a lot of time and energy pursuing the truth. Would the people responsible ever be held to account? Probably not," he said.
"For the good friends I made, it cost me a couple of years of a career path I never sought."
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,2370 2024-948,00.html |
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By: peaceleo69
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NORMIE ROWE IS A WIMP.
WHAT DID HE DO IN THE WAR, PEEL POTATOES?..LOL
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and you served???
actually i believe he was a chopper pilot!
Has fought hard for the rights of vets since he returned.
Done far more ,than scream cowardly abuse at others, on an internet forum; anyway! |
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