By: jellybaby2211
4/10/2007
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I want to know what each party will do about the huge difference in Child Support "lifestyles".
27% of my PRE tax wage goes to me ex wife, 33% goes to tax - leaving me with just 40% of my wage.
My Ex wife works (and makes sure she stays just under the threshold where her wage affects what I pay in Child Support) - her new partner also works - between them, they bring in over 90,000 per year - take annual holidays interstate or overseas, have purchased a new home, and 2 new cars - while I live month to month.
I dont begrudge in any way supporting my children - they are my children, and my responsibility - but what does each party plan to do about the imbalance that I, and thousands of of CSA payers, live with every day? What, if anything, will be done to give me a chance to live the lifestyle that my ex wife enjoys? |
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By: mick_lind
4/10/2007
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| sorry to tell you nothing much will change it's a basket case and a hot potatoe, payees that get caught up in the system get hit hard with little or no sympathy from child support as they say "we don't make the laws just enforce them" i could wrote a book on my experience.i have sole custudy now and recieve 6$ a week from the ex after 6 years of living week to to week on half my pay. |
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By: polynesiachick
4/10/2007
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The system for child support sucks, for the non custodial parent that does the right thing by their child[ren] it seems they are always being punished for the ones that don't and also don't pay tax just to avoid supporting their kids. Strangely enough I've have heard similar stories from many fathers over the years and all that they want to do is provide for their children yet the system makes them out to be the enemy, it is one sided and bordering on sexism.
Both of you have done the right thing and should not have to bear the burden of those who do not. |
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By: slr2007mclaren
4/10/2007
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Strangely enough I've have heard similar stories from many fathers over the years and all that they want to do is provide for their children yet the system makes them out to be the enemy, it is one sided and bordering on sexism.
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I agree....
There's a father's support group that are lobbying against this unfairness....
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By: suvvdj
4/10/2007
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| The only answer is to send your new wife (if you've remarried) out to work and you be a stay at home dad. |
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By: dragonessrealmau
4/10/2007
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| How is it boarding on sexism???????? the amount of women paying child support is up 4%on last financial year..... My childs father doesn't pay a cent.... I like it that way |
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By: polynesiachick
4/10/2007
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| I've never received a cent in maintenance myself for all of 18 years as he takes non tax jobs....but I have known and spoken to fathers in the position where they pay maintenance but are treated like dirt by the system hence the 'bordering on sexism' personal opinion. |
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By: mick_lind
4/10/2007
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Strangely enough I've have heard similar stories from many fathers over the years and all that they want to do is provide for their children yet the system makes them out to be the enemy, it is one sided and bordering on sexism.
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I agree....
There's a father's support group that are lobbying against this unfairness....
they are called the lone fathers assoc. they have been lobbying for years .....the fed. govt. is to review child support laws in july 2008.afetr the election who knows what will happen but i'll wager the staus quo remains. |
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By: mick_lind
4/10/2007
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| you can't blame either party it's the system that is in place where the problem lies............paye are the ones that caught up in it and take the full hit with no escape .i lot of people are forced to work for cash jobs just to keep their head above water.there's is no doubt there's scum out their that don't value their kids and will do anything not to pay.but i feel they are in the minority i hope so anyway |
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By: polynesiachick
4/10/2007
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They are in the minority fortunatly [mine is a fully qualified trades man and rarely out of work - I don't care one way or the other if I ever see any CSP's as I worked, paid taxes and supported my child myself]
Some set up accounts for their kids if they have a legit problem with the custodial parent getting the cash ie: drug/alcahol problems
Some come to a mutual agreement between both parents to set up these accounts, pay school fees and associated costs. |
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By: wabeanie1963
4/10/2007
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| Jellybaby, go to the australian parliament website, and look for a document "In the best interests of children - reforming the child support scheme", it shows the new calculation applicable for 1 July 2008. Basically both your's and your ex's taxable income are addedd together, take off $16k each to live on and then proportion child support ratios based upon access and ages and number of children. I've calculated that I'll drop 1/3 next year. It is definitely a lot fairer. |
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By: aveng_8
5/10/2007
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| it is a very unfair system my first husband died we had four young children, i remarried a great guy and he is a great dad to the kids but his ex will not let him see his own Daughter,it is three and a half years since he last saw her and he still has to pay 18% of his wage to his ex we can not aford to go to court!! thats real fair NOT!! |
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By: pyceas
5/10/2007
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aveng ...under the new formula he will be paying a lot more. if his ex doesnt work.
my support will stay basically the same as i have shared care... although i find it amazing that an adult is supposed to be able to live on 16k a year, that doesnt cover my mortgage. |
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By: bluey_aka_bloo
5/10/2007
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they do need to find a fairer system related to the actual COL for the kids(s) concerned, not simply a % of wages/salary
many ordinary households would rarely spend over $50 a week per kid, even when u take things like school costs etc into account |
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By: nessa_sarily_so
5/10/2007
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| A better system would be to prescribe an amount needed per child by their ages. Obviously it costs more to feed a 12 year old boy than a 2 year old. It costs more to set a kid up for highschool etc. |
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By: bronze.aussie
5/10/2007
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| there are also other issues with child support, my sister and her ex have both had a child each living with them they they both had to contribute child support to each other though centrelink and centrelink had been keeping the money from both sides, so both of them thought the other was not paying at all. witch in turn caused a lot of friction in there family for years. both financially and mentally, not to mention the effect it had on the children. |
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By: kariseppo
5/10/2007
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| the way to get out of paying to much is go on abn and if you have a new partner put it in her name i work in building and heaps of men do this |
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By: astromyrtus
7/10/2007
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Are some of you people forgetting that the new formula comes into effect from 1 July 2008?
Yep, conveniently after the election, and 12 months after the official start date of Welfare to Work...
http://www.csa.gov.au/
Updated answers to your questions about the new Child Support Scheme
Australia's new Child Support Scheme starts on 1 July 2008. The new scheme uses a more balanced formula for calculating child support, and applies to all separated parents.
The CSA has updated its questions and answers for the new Child Support Scheme based on feedback from customers. Find out more about the changes and how they will affect you at the Child Support Scheme Reforms website.
http://www.csa.gov.au/schemereforms/questions.aspx
Your questions answered
Below are answers to some of the common questions our customers have been asking about the new Child Support Scheme.
Updated: 31 August 2007
New formula - general
Income - care
Other dependent children/second families
Agreements
Compliance
Family Assistance
Change of Assessment
Overtime/second job
Access to my child/ren
Non-agency payments
More information
Do I have to do anything now?
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Do you have more questions? Ask us now
New Formula - General
Q: How will the new way of calculating child support affect the amount I pay or receive?
A: Parents who pay or receive child support will be affected by the new Scheme as all child support payments will need to be re-assessed. The changes apply to most separated parents who are registered with the Child Support Agency (CSA) - even if you work out your own payment arrangements, as they could affect your family assistance payments.
In most cases the amount you pay or receive will change once the new way of calculating payments starts. How it will change and whether it will increase or decrease will depend on a number of factors, including both parents' income, how many children you have and... |
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By: polynesiachick
7/10/2007
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***the way to get out of paying to much is go on abn and if you have a new partner put it in her name i work in building and heaps of men do this***
kariseppo.....how does this help the kids? |
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By: astromyrtus
7/10/2007
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[[***the way to get out of paying to much is go on abn and if you have a new partner put it in her name i work in building and heaps of men do this***
kariseppo.....how does this help the kids?]]
Good question!
I would also ask:-
* What kind of woman would do this sort of thing, knowing that they were depriving kids of reasonable Child Support?
* How many men have done this sort of thing and later found themselves with different (bigger and/or more complex) relationship and financial problems?
* How many women have been complicit in this sort of thing and then realised they had been taken for a ride by their trusty new partner - forking out cash and/or laundering money and then got stuck with untold Tax and Credit liabilities and paperwork!?
* Do people not realise that this is more than Income Splitting and Alienation of Personal Services Income - it is FRAUD!?
* Do people not realise that the Child Support Agency is a department within the ATO, which does data matching with BOTH the ATO and Centrelink!?
* Child Support is a Commonwealth/ATO liability, which reduces the amount of Family Tax Benefit payable under the so-called "Maintenance Income Test" - hence the Govt takes this type of fraud reasonably seriously! |
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By: relizabeth61
8/10/2007
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I have experienced both side of Child Support and it stinks both ways. My current partner pays his ex child support, she has never worked a day in her life, has bludged off taxpayers and the govt, most of her life. He always pays on time and always the full amount, however last month he was short $44 as with bills(car REGO and repairs to the car) we had we just couldnt cover it. He gets a very threatening phone call from the CSA all over $44, they will check again in 2 weeks and he must have paid some of his over due, threatened to take it out of his wages from now on etc etc.... My ex rarely pays on time is $700 in arrears and has been for over a year yet nothing gets done about that. How is this system fair
My partners ex spends most of her time drinking and smoking and the child has very few decent clothes to her name, yet he still has to hand over this money every month to feed the mothers alcohol and tobacco obsession. |
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By: relizabeth61
8/10/2007
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| so yes this woman would do the above if circumstances allowed so the money could then get spent on the child and not go to supporting the tobacco and alcohol industry. |
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By: polynesiachick
8/10/2007
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relizabeth, don't hold your breath waiting for your ex to do the right thing and I understand exactly what you are saying, has your husband thought about putting the money towards an account or paying it straight to the school to avoid this money being wasted like this [I'm not sure on how the new laws may impact on this] it might pay to see a solicitor on this if there is one that offers first consultation free.
If his ex has a problem with alcohol and the child is being neglected perhaps she may be better off with both of you, until the mother gets herself straightened out. Is this a possibility you would be willing to consider or already have? |
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By: relizabeth61
8/10/2007
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| we tried this allready spent a fortune on legal fees all to get slapped with an AVO from the mother for made up lies which were eventually thrown out and the AVO withdrawn. see the child is her money train isnt she. we cant afford to go to court again, last time the mother didnt even turn up, 3 times, but nothing was done no contempt of court action....but she got custody and my partner got hit with questions like how do you know shes drinking all the time, you have to prove it, we tried everything DOCS didnt want to know either even though the child has missed a whole term of school without valid reason, both this year and last year. |
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By: relizabeth61
9/10/2007
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| Just an update to my earlier post, i put a complaint in to CSA about the way my partner was treated over a $44 arrears bill. yesterday he got a call from the same person from CSA and they apologised to him. |
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