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By: cktopsy
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I think Russ is committed to Giving money to Toyota by the sound of it.
It seems the Government has little interest in the reviving the ECommodore.
But it seem
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced a $35 million funding deal yesterday with Japanese car-maker Toyota to build hybrid cars in Australia, ignoring world-first CSIRO research in green car technologies.
Australia was a world leader in hybrid car technologies, but federal funding cuts and a decision to invest more research effort in clean-coal technologies forced CSIRO to dump development of the world's first family-sized hybrid-electric car.
Associate professor of the Australian National University's Crawford School of Economics Richard Denniss said yesterday, ''Australia had a green car almost a decade ago. We could have been driving locally made hybrids by now and reaping the economic and environmental benefits.''
Mr Rudd said the $35 million deal for Toyota to build four-cylinder hybrid Camrys at its factory in Melbourne's western suburbs was ''good for motorists, good for fuel efficiency, good for the car industry in Australia, good for the environment''.
These CSIRO sources have also questioned whether the Rudd Government's $35 million deal with Toyota will include future negotiations to use CSIRO's UltraBattery a hybrid car battery successfully tested in Britain and now being built by Japan's Furukawa battery company to power the locally built green Camrys.
The Ecommodore, used as VIP transport during the Sydney Olympic Games, combined an electric motor powered by supercapacitors and advanced lead-acid batteries with a four-cylinder aluminium alloy petrol engine.
It was described by Holden at its launch before the Games, in May 2000, as ''a rolling showcase of all-Australian ingenuity'' which incorporated an array of locally developed new technologies.
These included improved aerodynamics, lightweight construction, solar cooling and minimised energy loss during braking. |
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By: thelastnail1
26/10/2009
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I think Russ is committed to Giving money to Toyota by the sound of it.
It seems the Government has little interest in the reviving the ECommodore.
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So what is the 180 million for ?? Can you work it out because I certainly can't :(
This has got to be Noddy land :( |
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By: cktopsy
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So what is the 180 million for ?? Can you work it out because I certainly can't :(By: thelastnail1
Only by research to find the answer it seems the $180 million is a subsidy to do the following
1) HOLDEN will receive more than $180 million in government subsidies to build a new fuel-efficient, four-cylinder car at its Adelaide plant, a decision Kevin Rudd presented as a vindication of his $6.2 billion car plan
2)"retooling" the company's Adelaide plant to produce the new car, which will run on either petrol or diesel, alongside the six-cylinder Holden Commodore.
3) Support" 600 workers, but this may not translate into 600 new jobs because it could include some existing employees.
4) The federal Government will also give Holden an extra $149 million over three years from its $1.3 billion green-car fund, after the company meets certain milestones.
It seems to be what the moneys for not to build a Electric car or a Hybrid car but to keep the factory open save jobs and begin building smaller more fuel efficent cars.
It also explains why Holden in importing its Green world car they do not have to spend money developing a new Green car in Australia. |
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By: cktopsy
26/10/2009
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Have done a bit more on the ECommodore and why it never came to production after it's successfull trial in 2000.
It seems both side of Government are to blame Howard because in 2000 considered their would be no call for Green cars and there wasn't back then fuel was only 76.8 cents a litre
They say CSIRO and Holden jointly spent about $12 million in developing the low-emissions Ecommodore which was the world's first full-sized hybrid-electric powered family car the Howard government invested $2 million in the project, claiming consumer demand for the car would be too limited to justify a more substantial investment and ruled out further investment in the project.
When Rudd came to power CSIRO was forced to revise all research investments, and focus energy research on clean-coal technologies such as carbon capture and storage. Hybrid vehicle research and intelligent transport systems including an Australian designed computer-automated ultra-light rail system were among the casualties.
CSIRO sources told The Canberra Times if there had been greater support for the Holden Ecommodore hybrid from both the the Howard government and Labor Government Australia would be ''well down the road by now'' to building and marketing a locally designed green car. |
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1) HOLDEN will receive more than $180 million in government subsidies to build a new fuel-efficient, four-cylinder car at its Adelaide plant, a decision Kevin Rudd presented as a vindication of his $6.2 billion car plan
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It's not fuel efficient. According to the RACV it achieves 8.9 liters per 100 km which is what you'd expect from a much larger car.
Why doesn't Toyota get 180 million for importing the 4 cylinder Corolla ?? Same difference isn't it ??
What Holden is doing is swindling money from the tax payers and using this money to import another gas guzzler. It's another case of an unviable automotive company telling the market what it should drive and then being compensated for building stuff that people don't want anymore.
Have you ever heard of any other unviable business that gets bailed out using public money ?? |
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By: thelastnail1
26/10/2009
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CSIRO sources told The Canberra Times if there had been greater support for the Holden Ecommodore hybrid from both the the Howard government and Labor Government Australia would be ''well down the road by now'' to building and marketing a locally designed green car.
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Why don't they support it now ?? |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
26/10/2009
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| No doubt the clowns believe all the sheeple want to drive Commodes or Toys, Some us wouldn't be seen dead in either !!! |
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No doubt the clowns believe all the sheeple want to drive Commodes or Toys, Some us wouldn't be seen dead in either !!!
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An electric car toy would be suitable for a lot of people just to get around and do the shopping. Check this one out. Someone is selling a Zenn electric car in the US for $11500 on ebay.
Item number 300359838960
And where do we buy this here for that price ??
Now Mitsubishi is talking about $70,000 for its MiEV. Go figure :(
How did they work out that price ?? |
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| Maybe I should have been more explicit. By 'Toy' I meant Toy(ota). A perfect choice for the great unwashed with no concept of the finer things in life. Commode doors are no better than Mitsubishi W a n k ers (oops Pajeros) |
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By: cktopsy
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Holden easily won the the recent Eco Challenge a Darwin-to-Adelaide economy run that aims to highlight the impact of modern small cars.
Organosers were suprised when Holden turned up for the contest with it's massive 6.2 litre Maloo Ute, one of the most powerfull and least economical cars ever made in Australia.
Holden had checked the rules for this economy run and discovered that the overall winner was the car that showed the greatest improvement over it's Government fuel usage figures.
According to those figures the Maloo converts 15.1 litres of fuel into dead polar bear cubs ever 100 kms.
But that estimate includes lots of city driving.
But there are few cities between Darwin and Adelaide so Holden figured they were in with a chance.
And in the end they were right the giant 6.2 litre Maloo won easily achiecing a 50% improvement over the official estimate.
Lesser vehicles collapsed like Tim Flannery's weather predications.
So expect Holden adds
("Save the Planet - buy a gigantic V8")featuring Holden's 412-Horsepower, 280 km/h Darwin-to-Adelaide economy rally winner |
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Holden easily won the the recent Eco Challenge a Darwin-to-Adelaide economy run that aims to highlight the impact of modern small cars.
The real winner was the Tesla, clear proof that electric cars with decent performance & range are practical |
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By: cktopsy
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The real winner was the Tesla, clear proof that electric cars with decent performance & range are practical
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Rubbish the Holden V8 Maloo slayed the field.
Driving from Darwin to Adelaide (the full event distance) Joshua Dowling will be attempting to prove V8s can be frugal too
Meanwhile the HSV Maloo ute was the shock winner of the Eco Challenge 'production' car class, beating an array of highly fancied petrol and diesel cars, including Australia's most efficient car, the Ford Fiesta ECOnetic.
Run every two years, the previous winner of the Eco Challenge was the Hyundai i30, a small car with a compact 1.6-litre turbodiesel engine. So, for the thirstiest and most powerful car to win the 2009 event caused surprise and even elicited anger.
At the finish line tempers flared and heated conversations took place as rival teams sought clarification of fuelling techniques, engine calibrations and other aspects of the how the cars were run.
Starting with the highest fuel consumption rating in the field, 15.1L/100km, the HSV Maloo finished the event with an average fuel use of 7.7L/100. The high performance ute had the largest overall reduction compared to its official economy rating, with a 48.76 per cent reduction earning it first prize over Ford's turbocharged Falcon with a 39.81 per cent reduction.
It is interesting to note that while the Maloo won the event, it used the highest amount of fuel and emitted the most CO2 out of any vehicle (the Ford Fiesta emitted the least CO2 and the Suzuki Alto was not far behind with the second-lowest emissions). |
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Rubbish the Holden V8 Maloo slayed the field.
Driving from Darwin to Adelaide (the full event distance) Joshua Dowling will be attempting to prove V8s can be frugal too
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That's not how most people drive. Most people drive in stop-start traffic. It's the stopping and starting that kills fuel economy because the energy lost during stopping goes into heating up brake rotors and cannot be recovered. In a properly designed electric vehicle you can recover the energy lost through braking by using regenerative braking.
Holden is whistling through its ar.se if it thinks it can hoodwink the public into sticking with its gas guzzling technology whilst GM works around the clock on its serial hybrid plugin car. |
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