By: astrolin7
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Great story in the Sydney Telegraph last week about a juvenile crime wave sweeping NSW (and Australia). Gangs of young kids 12 yo paid by 18yos to do break and enter jobs, teenagers bailing up pensioners in home with knives. We can all point to stories like this. This article from the London Telegraph is one of the best I have read on the problem and very startling. I put the link at the bottom but heres the first bit.
No respect, no morals, no trust - welcome to modern Britain
Earlier this year, the BBC broadcast a two-part documentary called The Death of Respect. It went out late and would have been missed by many. For those who did not see it, there was compelling evidence this week that the social decomposition chronicled in John Ware's programme is very real, when film of a Sheffield student relieving himself on a war memorial was shown in the same news bulletins that covered the murder of five British soldiers in Helmand.
It's hard to think of a more offensive image than booze-fuelled urine flowing over poppies, on a day when courageous servicemen are being slaughtered in order, the Government claims, to keep the rest of us safe. Hard, but not impossible. The front-page story from my local newspaper, the Brentwood Gazette, came close: thieves stole the Royal British Legion's Poppy Appeal collection box from St Thomas's church in the town centre. In the week of Remembrance Sunday, low-lifers had plumbed new depths.
Do not tell me that these are isolated incidents. Anxiety over the collapse of respect in modern Britain is not, as some liberal sociologists would have us believe, the creation of news-hungry tabloids and suburban reactionaries. Examples of guttersnipery are all around: from unpleasant vulgarity (spitting and swearing) to the contempt with which a sleazy political class treats its electorate. We are, one fears, in danger of becoming inured to disrespect.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffran dall/6510223/No-res ... |
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| http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffran dall/6510223/No-respect-no-morals-no-trust---welco me-to-modern-Britain.html |
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| http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeffran dall/6510223/No-respect-no-morals-no-trust---welco me-to-modern-Britain.html |
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By: astrolin7
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| This link wont paste in properly but its well worth a read. Copy in the link and close up the gap in the word "welcome" |
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By: it_is_the_light
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you will reap what you sow
REAP IT! |
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By: denrose9
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| successive generations have reduced parental control, over their children, the do gooders, many of them never have had children always take the easy way and when it comes back and bites them on the backside are the biggest whingers.It will not get better until the population makes a stand but will it happen, I very much doubt it because the ones who should make a stand are the ones doing the reducing. |
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By: astrolin7
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I grew up in the backwash of the 60s generation. We were told through popular culture that the late 60s was some idyllic time and those who werent there missed out. The older I get the more I see the 60s and 70s as the time when our taboos as a society disappeared to be replaced by an anything goes mentality. There is generally a refusal to deplore any more from swearing on television to
teenagers attacking old people or disabled people.
My friend just started as a primary school teacher this year and he hates it. 10 year olds regualarly telling him to go and get effed. Parents confronting him about disciplinary action he took against their child. |
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By: m.tivey
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'the more I see the 60s and 70s as the time when our taboos as a society disappeared to be replaced by an anything goes mentality. '
I DID grow up in the 60s & 70s, and it wasn't all beer & skittles.
But I reckon the rot set in later with the hard drug usage, American 'gangsta' influences, and the rise in prominence of the PC brigade. |
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By: pol_pak
8/11/2009
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agree with Lord Sacks's assesment :
"Without a shared moral code there can be no free society. Either we recover the moral sense or we will find, too late, that in the name of
liberty, we have lost our freedom."
However am not pessimistic, for society is constantly overcorrecting, so that it moves like a pendulum first one way until realizes drifted
to far, then drifts back the other way until realizes drifted to far in the other direction so reverses direction again.
Real trick would be to reduce how far from the mean we drift in either direction ;-)
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By: pol_pak
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| Had to laugh at top of page is the ad for movie : "The Invention of Lying" |
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By: astrolin7
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From the same article :
In a piercing summary of what has gone wrong, Britain's Chief Rabbi, Lord Sacks, concludes: "Concepts like duty, obligation, responsibility and honour have come to seem antiquated and irrelevant. Emotions like guilt, shame, contrition and remorse have been deleted from our vocabulary, for are we not all entitled to self-esteem? The still, small voice of conscience is rarely heard these days. Conscience has been outsourced, delegated away."
Indeed it has. Individual wrongdoings are, increasingly, an issue not for those concerned, but the state, which dishes out rights in return for unquestioning obeisance. In place of self-restraint, we have installed an all-embracing culture of grievance. Culprits have learnt to claim victim status.
As the banking crisis and MPs' expenses scandal revealed, there is barely a distinction between legality and morality. Freedom means pursuing that with which it is possible to get away. If everyone else is gaming the system, only a mug would choose to do otherwise. When caught, the perpetrators point shamelessly to a failure by regulators. |
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By: droverdriver
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respect, obligation, courtesy, duty to others, etc. With any of these, if you want to receive, you also have to give.
If it's true that the current crop of youngsters (up to and including Gen Y) have no sense of respect, courtesy, etc., it is because we in the elder generations didn't care enough to rumble with the PC brigade and teach our kids these things.
In society, things are a mess, and it's all the fault of the Gen X and older generations.
We let it happen. |
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By: foxdemonau
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"... \the contempt with which a sleazy political class treats its electorate."
Here, here! Well said!
"Individual wrongdoings are, increasingly, an issue not for those concerned, but the state, which dishes out rights in return for unquestioning obeisance. In place of self-restraint, we have installed an all-embracing culture of grievance. Culprits have learnt to claim victim status."
Absolutely! The middle class and their sectional interest social movements (eg: feminism, gays, mutliculturalism) are the source of these changes in social norms. Afterall, decendence only matters when it strikes the class of influence.
"When caught, the perpetrators point shamelessly to a failure by regulators."
And these are right wing middle class crooks, the so called neo-liberals. The rot starts at the top. |
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By: foxdemonau
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"...and it's all the fault of the Gen X and older generations..."
Correction. It is the fault of middle class generations post WW2. It doesn't matter what the wroking class do as they don't influence the tragectory of social norms. It is the ones who dominate places of thought, the universities, media and teaching, that have the power to reshape society.
And now we live with the results of their endevours. So much for social progressivism. |
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By: it_is_the_light
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something died?
i would suggest the freemasons raped whatever
it is then ritually sacrificed it |
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By: jackobirdofprey
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| Young people ( generation Y ) are just plain awful. They are spoilt "know it alls" who in reality have s h i t for brains. Australias future is going to be interesting. |
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By: binj.again
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| Hollywood shaped the world we live in today, it was not by accident |
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By: jackobirdofprey
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Hollywood shaped the world we live in today, it was not by accident
I believe it's bad parenting. Maybe if people spent more time with their kids instead of keeping up with the Joneses and teaching them manners then they wouldn't be little creeps. |
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By: droverdriver
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| It was us. We didn't care enough to take on the "elites", the "powers". |
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By: corky1939
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>> It is the ones who dominate places of thought, the universities, media and teaching, that have the power to reshape society.
And now we live with the results of their endevours. So much for social progressivism <<
That is very true, but look at those who are responsible - mostly left wingers.
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By: astrolin7
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http://www.constablerobinson.com/?section=books&bo ok=bogstandard_britain_9781849011204_hardback
This seems like a good book on this subject. |
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By: vegitamite97
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Respect is dying because we seems as a society to continue to chose the easy way . Which becomes the hard way.It isnt teaching our kids the 'right way'.
I have lived near one of the streets that was mentioned in the Tele's article on the south coast and still live with in distance. I was shock to see it up there with other problem areas. But also not surprised as every town is getting a problem area. Rich or poor. |
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By: bahamian3002
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Hollywood shaped the world we live in today, it was not by accident
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I don't think Hollywood shaped the "chavs" in the UK, they are a product of 3rd generation welfare spongers and Leftard apologist's who like to say sh1t such as "it is a socio-economic paradigm shift" and "society is at fault" |
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By: potaroopatrick
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| thank so called Conservative gun law traitor John Howard, anyone can break somone door in and chances they will not be armed and able to defend their life and property. Its an easy gamble odds in favour |
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By: bahamian3002
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thank so called Conservative gun law traitor John Howard, anyone can break somone door in and chances they will not be armed and able to defend their life and property. Its an easy gamble odds in favour
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You must be a criminal or a flake then because I have, not two metres from where I now sit, a 9mm Glock a .357 S&W revolver, two shotguns and a .22 rifle.
One suspects that JWH was quite rightly weeding out a few undesirables! |
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