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This is the answer to the question that Heath Minister Nicola Roxon refused to answer on the ABC 7.30 Report when asked by Kerry O'Brien on Monday night.
Wayne Swan has now confirmed his own department's predictions that 485,000 people are expected to dump their private health cover following changes to the medicare surcharge.
This is bad news... real bad news. After all the effort to get people into private health funds in order to relieve pressure on the public health system, here we have a case of "Labor knows best"... and its policy is now going to not only put immense pressure on the struggling public health system but also cause serious concern for private health funds.
Well... it just goes to sure us the "quality" of economic management we can expect under this Labor government! |
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By: iamdoingit4me
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| just wait and see the blowouts and waiting periods rise for tonsils etc and do not forget the over $150 000 incomes who will now, not get baby bonus ,to help pay drs accounts private at births ,returning to public patients for childbirth |
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By: meepmoopling
14/05/2008
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I hope this decision gets reversed soon.
Unleashing half a million back into the public health system is going to put some serious strain on it.
And when health insurance premiums rise, how are pensioners going to pay the extra? |
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By: codswal
14/05/2008
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didnt Wayneassure us this wouldnt happen??????
I mean where else did he expect them to go..
People dont,and never have done. liked paying for something, like private health cover.....why would you if you didnt have too.. |
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By: stevesmithie
14/05/2008
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the opposition's main attack was on alcopops and luxury cars taxs.
the 485.000, to leave will be those in good health.
and with increased funding of the health system
and with part of the infastucture fund aimed at hospitals. |
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By: ol_whal
14/05/2008
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<<<After all the effort to get people into private health funds in order to relieve pressure on the public health system,>>>
Yep, that Howard conned us/me nicely "Premiums won't rise other than xxxx under our Gov." bullshut they didn't what a rip off. |
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By: rov1njez
14/05/2008
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| It will be good if 485,000 people leave private health insurance it will mean that I pay less. The main reason the private health insurers put up premiums was because there were too many people joining the funds. |
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By: longweekend58
14/05/2008
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| any policy that is going to throw that many people onto publci health is a bad one. Mind you, it is an estimate only and when was he last time a govt estimate was even close? If your savings by dropping private health back to private was only a couple hundred dollars do you really think many would? I wait to see exactly what happens because my guess it wil be way fewer than that. |
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By: bowsa1
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| The fund is kept afloat by membership.Any amount of members leaving is a loss situation for those of us who have been members for most of our working life and are in the age group to more likely need it.Maybe some of the "fringe" benefits need to be trimmed and make it what it is supposed to be,a "Health Insurance Scheme". |
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By: corky1939
14/05/2008
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>>> It will be good if 485,000 people leave private health insurance it will mean that I pay less. The main reason the private health insurers put up premiums was because there were too many people joining the funds. <<<
That sounds just like labor logic - completely off the planet. The public system will be under more pressure than ever and will never cope. Medical care will finish up being rationed - you had better hope that you won't need any. |
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By: cktopsy
14/05/2008
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If 485,000 people leave health insurance
Thats 485,000 less insurance covers for surgeons to rip off in Private hospitals operations
Thats 485,000 less people entering private hospitals.
And everbody reckons the Labor Government is not doing enough to combat inflation. |
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By: corky1939
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| And that's 485,000 people entering public hospitals, who can't cope now. Clever !!!!!!! |
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By: longweekend58
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<Thats 485,000 less people entering private hospitals.>
which means 485,000 more people on an already strained public syetem. How is that good? explain your 'logic'. |
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By: corky1939
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If 485,000 people leave health insurance
Thats 485,000 less insurance covers for surgeons to rip off in Private hospitals operations
Thats 485,000 less people entering private hospitals.
And everbody reckons the Labor Government is not doing enough to combat inflation. >>>>>
Longy, how does one explain logic like that - maybe labor logic has the answers, darned if I do . |
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By: longweekend58
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<Longy, how does one explain logic like that - maybe labor logic has the answers, darned if I do .>
true laborites avoid logic and facts at every corner. |
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By: cktopsy
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Rubbish
Most of the people who will leave the private funds are healthy people and people with a good income who are only covered by Private cover for the Tax break.
Most of these people will learn to do what most wealthy people do now and that is twist the their surgeons arm and get a discount price for their operation by paying cash.
The thing about these people rushing to local hospitals once they leave private cover is nothing more than scare propaganda |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
14/05/2008
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Do you people HONESTLY! think that people and families with ONE income and/or with children can AFFORD private health insurance ??
I am the SOLE income earner in my family and i get hit with the medicare levy.
I have a child and partner to support and child support payments for my child.
Do you really think that someone in similar circumstances to my own would stay with private health insurance if they could not afford it ??? |
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By: longweekend58
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<The thing about these people rushing to local hospitals once they leave private cover is nothing more than scare propaganda>
believing anything else is stupidity. you are making a handful of baseless assumptions to arrive at a conculsion that suits your personal beliefs. It has ALWAYS been cheaper to be in the public syste, the old medicare levy was still only a third of the cost of private health. If people leave private health they wil go onto the publci system. They wil go to hospital just like anyone else. |
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By: evilo_olive
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Hard enough to get a hospital bed these days...it will only get worse if people pull out of private health insurance
Maybe a backlash will occur when people realise the public system can't cope and they don't want to wait years,in pain, for that hip, knee etc. and will rejoin the private health system.
Having experienced both private and public hospitals, I know which I prefer. And I don't blame the doctors and nurses who work so hard in both systems. |
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By: corky1939
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>>> Most of these people will learn to do what most wealthy people do now and that is twist the their surgeons arm and get a discount price for their operation by paying cash. <<<<
That is a ridiculous and uninformed comment. I am not wealthy, but have always had health insurance and am yet to meet a surgeon whose arm I could or want to twist. After all he/she needs both hands to operate. |
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By: meepmoopling
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By wizbeysmugfarter:
Do you people HONESTLY! think that people and families with ONE income and/or with children can AFFORD private health insurance ??
I am the SOLE income earner in my family and i get hit with the medicare levy.
I have a child and partner to support and child support payments for my child.
Do you really think that someone in similar circumstances to my own would stay with private health insurance if they could not afford it ???
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If you are the sole income earner for your family and have to pay the MLS, you must be on over $100,000. The MLS would have been a minimum of $1000. You can get hospital cover for you, your spouse and dependents for under $100 a month, meaning the decision was whether you wanted to pay a hundred or so extra for private health cover. |
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By: meepmoopling
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Most of the people who will leave the private funds are healthy people and people with a good income who are only covered by Private cover for the Tax break.
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So, when these healthy people leave the health funds, you will probably see the premiums rise, as the people left will be the ones who need it the most - pensioners, etc |
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By: neocon37
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| If you have a job you should have private health cover. |
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By: southerncrossforever
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| i have always had full private hospital cover and always will... |
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By: philperth2007
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| A vast majority of people with private health cover use the public system anyway...I doubt 400 000+ people will suddenly all leave private cover and flood into public hospitals in droves...first they must get sick and then they will seak care...sone other countries in the world have much better health systems than ours and must accomodate many more people...we get what we pay for!!! |
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