By: thelastnail
8/05/2008
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So what are all of you stupid bars.tards going to do when that stinken oil hits $200 a barrel in 2 years time as predicted by Goldman Sachs :(
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/08/2238 539.htm
We are all going to be punished for our addiction to oil ;)
And the solution was always going to be the battery electric car but nobody took any notice :( Maybe you will from now on !! Check out this link for the solution ;)
http://www.evnut.com/ |
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By: larkhill50
8/05/2008
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Totally agree, nails. Love the Tesla sports car, it will be good to see what the family hack is like.
And in the not too distant future you could use this stuff on your roof to charge 'er up..........
A lick of solar-power paint could see the roofs and walls of warehouses and other buildings generate electricity from the sun, if research by UK researchers pays off. The scientists are developing a way to paint solar cells onto the steel sheets commonly used to clad large buildings.
Steel sheets are painted rapidly in steel mills by passing them through rollers. A consortium led by Swansea University, UK, hopes to use that process to cover steel sheets with a photovoltaic paint at up to 40 square metres per minute. |
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By: thelastnail
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Totally agree, nails. Love the Tesla sports car, it will be good to see what the family hack is like.
And in the not too distant future you could use this stuff on your roof to charge 'er up..........
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Yes all great stuff to get people off their oil addiction ;)
So why aren't we seeing these types of cars in the show rooms ?? You need to watch this doco to find out the answer ;)
Electric Cars in California: SBS Dateline doco
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXv6sO52xFY
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjJ1EHiB_28
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMvukaQxdEY |
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By: unclefatso01
8/05/2008
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Simple way to stop it. Take it off the futures market and stop the speculators. Oil, like our Iron Ore and Gas, should be purchased on fixed price contracts with allowances for rise and fall. Its worth, tops, $50 a barrell allowing for new plants, plant maintenance, product and exploration.
The other solution is to stop using the stuff. |
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By: pansi1951
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| I hope it's goodbye to all the 4 wheel drives that never see a dirt road, clogging up our city streets, wasting exorbitant amounts of fuel. |
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By: sageboards
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| Do not worry Kev will save the day we are "working families" he promised in Kev 07 that all would be wonderful with him as PM, that is why we voted for him.................. |
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By: larkhill50
8/05/2008
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Do not worry Kev will save the day we are "working families" he promised in Kev 07 that all would be wonderful with him as PM, that is why we voted for him..................
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P!SS off or stay on topic. We're having a sensible discussion here. |
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By: thelastnail
8/05/2008
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The other solution is to stop using the stuff.
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Yes if you stop using the stuff then the market automatically collapses thus killing two birds with the one stone ;) |
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By: seereality
8/05/2008
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thelastnail electric cars have been the answer for it least 20 years.
We do know whose dos not like electric cars and why - that could actually include our government as well - how can we tax electric cars?
In the meantime, until we all drive electric cars lets make our own petrol from coal, one barrel cost only $30.00 and we have got plenty of coal until we find a better way of making electric power.
The technology is available from a company called Sasol from South Africa- the plant is not cheap but we can safely predict that it will take some time to replace all petrol and diesel driven cars.
One small plant is actually built in Queensland. This plant can make fertiliser, base material for plastics and other related products, so it is not misguided investment, with the oil running out and most cars eventually replaced with electric, there are plenty of other things we need when the oil runs out.
What ever might be a good thing, for a little while more we will depend an oil or oil replacement fuel, like it or not.
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By: thelastnail
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thelastnail electric cars have been the answer for it least 20 years.
We do know whose dos not like electric cars and why - that could actually include our government as well - how can we tax electric cars?
In the meantime, until we all drive electric cars lets make our own petrol from coal, one barrel cost only $30.00 and we have got plenty of coal until we find a better way of making electric power.
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That's just giving into the fossil fuel industries again. Converting coal into petrol is very inefficient and it doesn't address greenhouse gas emissions.
Electric cars with rooftop PV arrays addresses both oil supply and greenhouse gas emissions as it eliminates both in one hit. If you start selling EV's now people will start replacing their gas guzzlers with efficient battery electric cars so we start to meet GHG targets by 2020 ;)
But I agree with you that Governments are silent on this front because they have a lot of excise to lose if we all start going electric so Governments are part of the problem ;) To bad though because that is the cost of progress ;) |
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By: larkhill50
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I doubt whether the govt would miss out. They'd just introduce a tax on tyres or batteries or the like.
But it would at least address the never ending upward spiral of fuel prices, and as nails said, also the environment would benefit. |
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By: thelastnail
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I doubt whether the govt would miss out. They'd just introduce a tax on tyres or batteries or the like.
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Those NiMH batteries used in the Toyota RAV4 EV have been known to last in excess of 100,000 miles so the Government would be hard pushed to generate the 8 billion it currently gets in fuel excise off the tax on batteries and tyres. They might start taxing the sun :(
No the Government would be certainly worried about the loss in fuel excise. You only have to ask yourself why haven't they taken the GST off the excise component of petrol ??
You only have to see how the Government is addicted to taxes on gambling, cigarettes and grog :( I don't know which is worse, the Governments or the oil companies :( |
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By: seereality
8/05/2008
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thelastnail no problem in what you are saying.
But in reality, converting petrol cars into electric cars is not the best way of addressing the problem it is also not the most efficient way.
There are not many places that do conversions; I checked cost about $ 6,500 to do it.
There is a back lock of having car gas conversion done these days.
The point is, where does to power come from to charge electric cars? There are very few solar collectors around and it is for a private person a big investment.
So realistically with today's technology in Australia we would build more coal fired power stations.
The easiest, fastest and as a whole best way is to make the petrol from coal until petrol cars are phased out. There are after all about 10 million Cars on the road, and what about trucks, trains, airplanes and all the equipment used by our army?
You can not replace trillions of dollars value of equipment overnight, it takes time, and during the time where you have to use the equipment you need petrol and diesel.
An air plane or a tank without fuel is useless; the Germans discovered this during the war and paid for it. Having no fuel for the equipment we have in operation will collapse our economy.
The fuel should be produced by a government operated plant so that we compete against the oil companies to keep the petrol price low.
We need about 10 full size plants to make most of the fuel used, but the plants will produce other materials if we don't need petrol and diesel anymore.
That would also keep the coal industry going if coal is phased out for power generation.
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By: thelastnail
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thelastnail no problem in what you are saying.
But in reality, converting petrol cars into electric cars is not the best way of addressing the problem it is also not the most efficient way.
There are not many places that do conversions; I checked cost about $ 6,500 to do it.
There is a back lock of having car gas conversion done these days.
The point is, where does to power come from to charge electric cars? There are very few solar collectors around and it is for a private person a big investment.
So realistically with today's technology in Australia we would build more coal fired power stations.
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I'm not saying converting cars I'm saying buying them !! Government money in the form of corporate welfare should only go to automotive companies if they are willing to make environmentally friendly vehicles such as battery electric vehicles. In fact why not bring in a zero emission vehicle mandate where 2% of cars sold by auto companies have to be zero emission ;)
Currently the federal Government is offering $8000 rebate on a rooftop PV array connected to the grid. Lets say a complete solar PV package costs $12K so in essence you only pay $4K all up. Also the Vic state Government is now offering 60 cents per kilowatt hour for any excess energy fed into the grid from your rooftop PV array ;)
Lets say you currently spend $70 a week on petrol which is $3500 per year plus another $1000-2000 on servicing.
How many years of running an electric vehicle does it take to pay for the rooftop PV array because you are no longer paying big dollars for the gas guzzler ?? It doesn't take long when you think of it in terms of the expense you no longer have to pay for your unreliable gas guzzler ;) |
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By: larkhill50
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Those NiMH batteries used in the Toyota RAV4 EV have been known to last in excess of 100,000 miles so the Government would be hard pushed to generate the 8 billion it currently gets in fuel excise off the tax on batteries and tyres.
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Yeah, it would probably be in the form of a monthly or quarterly bill, but believe me, they'd find a way. |
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By: nedwin05
8/05/2008
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"Simple way to stop it. Take it off the futures market and stop the speculators. Oil, like our Iron Ore and Gas, should be purchased on fixed price contracts with allowances for rise and fall. Its worth, tops, $50 a barrell allowing for new plants, plant maintenance, product and exploration.
The other solution is to stop using the stuff."
Speculators do play a large role in the recent price rises, along with a weak US dollar. However, the price of oil aint going down to $50 a barrel, speculators or nor speculators, because the main reason the price is rising is tight supply and production.
The sooner we all realise the era of cheap oil is over and stop arguing about semantics the sooner we can have an economy based on renewable fuels and not be at the mercy of people like speculators, shifty middle east dictatorships and energy cartels.
Its a no brainer and its going to happen, whether you hate greenies or not! |
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By: eagleoz000
8/05/2008
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| we have our own oil, ruddy rudd, use it, forget opec |
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By: wadejohn75
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| Show us your ballz Kev and listen to the people that have a way out of this tangle. |
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By: nedwin05
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"we have our own oil, ruddy rudd, use it, forget opec"
Yes we do but we are a nett importer. Which means we use more oil than we produce so we have to buy it elsewhere. |
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By: srvjau
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Yes we do but we are a nett importer. Which means we use more oil than we produce so we have to buy it elsewhere
So why did Howard start stealing it off East Timor? What's happening with all the oil out of those wells? |
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By: eagleoz000
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| nedwin05 you are only being told what they wish to tell you, dont you believe it, we have oil reserves that have been capped for years years |
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By: kane_u_pain
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Well of course is only going to ever increase. Its a dwindling resource. It is only going to ever get more expensive. If you actually think it is going to get cheaper, your a moron!
The only reason the Oil Companies have not embraced green technology for cars is so they can milk the oil loving people of this world.
And before it dries up, they will pour money into 'green technology'. But only at a certain time before they know that they have no more to sell. That way they can keep the prices of 'green technology' high. To milk you even more.
This keeps the company as an entity alive. Its called survival. As you would note, many companies involved/testing the various methods to produce another energy source that is non oil related are slowly developing this technology.
Thankfully, the majority here will be dead. But we will all still pay more for it till the end. |
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By: kane_u_pain
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We can fly to the moon, but we cannot quickly develop the technology for cleaner travel. But we decide to pour our technological advancement into things that destroy life.
Who? |
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By: working_bloke
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<Do not worry Kev will save the day we are "working families" he promised in Kev 07 that all would be wonderful with him as PM, that is why we voted for him..................>
I guess the first step would have to be to end the Iraq war which is the major driver behind oil prices. |
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By: bobbythebat
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Come on Kev 07 - why aren't you encouraging battery
all electric cars?
I am starting to think that Kevin is just a re-incarnation
of John Howard. |
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