By: dallone.ranger
11/11/2009
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No Mate, it gives the individual the right to decide whether to stay or go.
Your god is not wanted here, thanks all the same.
We are over him/her long ago. |
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11/11/2009
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By: peaceleo69
11/11/2009
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actually his Mother is not looking after him-he is in hospital and has been since he became totally comotose; in a condition she coudlnt take care of him!
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Well lets kill all children with defects b4 they reach old age .
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are YOU presonally advocating euthenasia here?
I would not say ,being brain dead, is classified as a defect! |
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By: peaceleo69
11/11/2009
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euthanasia....legalizing murder!!! giving man the right to say who lives or dies...! shame
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you are a little misguided here-most of this discussion is about Voluntary Euthenasia;
where WE get the choice to decide whether WE die; when our life quality is insuficient, to be of use to us.
Our bodies-our life-our death-our choice!
Voluntary:-not forced;of our own choosing.
Euthenasia:-a peaceful death. |
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By: peaceleo69
14/11/2009
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http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2009/s274 2128.htm
Exit members threatened by raids: Nitschke
Meredith Griffiths reported this story on Friday, November 13, 2009 12:14:00
SHANE MCLEOD: The euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke says members of his organisation are anxious after police conducted raids in Melbourne and Sydney yesterday.
Victorian police seized documents from the offices of Dr Nitschke's group Exit International in Melbourne. He says the officers were acting on behalf of Queensland police investigating the death of Frank Ward in June this year.
Shortly after police searched a home in Sydney and confiscated the potentially lethal sedative Nembutal.
Dr Nitschke is speaking here with Meredith Griffiths.
PHILIP NITSCHKE: These events took place on Thursday around about the middle of the day.
First news we had was that the office, our main office which is in Melbourne in the suburb of Doncaster had been visited by Victorian police. They said they were acting under authority of the Queensland police.
They talked to the office manager there and she was instructed to provide them with details of four individuals. They had the names. They wanted access to the files that we keep on these four individuals.
The documentation provided said they were investigating the death of Frank Ward, a person from Queensland, and they were looking into an assisted or a suggested assisted suicide.
That was the first event.
The second event took place a couple of hours later in Sydney when five New South Wales police visited the home of an elderly Exit member with another, a separate warrant this time saying they would be searching for the euthanasia drug Nembutal and any information concerning its acquisition.
They left with a small quantity of the drug and also a copy of the banned Peaceful Pill Handbook.
MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: Can you just tell us a little bit about this gentleman, Frank Ward, about who he was... |
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By: peaceleo69
14/11/2009
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PHILIP NITSCHKE: No I don't, look I haven't, we haven't gone into that and we're not wanting to talk about the details there at all. I guess that's something that the police are finding a need to investigate and I guess they will be making more statements about this.
MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: And he was ill?
PHILIP NITSCHKE: Well again I think those sorts of details are best left coming from the police. But yes, I mean my understanding is that that's certainly the case.
MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: And so just to make it absolutely clear. Exit International was not involved with his death at all?
PHILIP NITSCHKE: No I'm not, no, Exit International doesn't involve itself in any illegal activity and that would be providing, assisting a suicide of course would be an illegal activity.
MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: Had Mr Ward made contact with Exit International? And if so what was the...
PHILIP NITSCHKE: Yes, some while back. I mean he's a person like many people who had made contact in the past. We were not planning to obstruct or withhold any information we would have provided.
What annoyed us of course was the fact that the sudden arrival with warrants and the requisition of information of people was a little unnecessary.
And of course what it's done to any of our members now is worry them. They fear that their records may not be secure. People are worried of course by the events in Sydney that if they've gone to great lengths to acquire end of life drugs which give them a great deal of comfort, that these drugs may be the subject of a police raid. And that's led to a great deal of anxiety.
We're having to put a message out to all of our 4,000 members, we're doing that now, warning them about the fact that there seems to be some aggravation of this issue and that people should be very careful if they've gone to great lengths to get these drugs so that they don't find themselves subject of any form of police activity. |
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By: peaceleo69
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MEREDITH GRIFFITHS: So the raids yesterday were totally unexpected?
PHILIP NITSCHKE: Yes, totally unexpected. We have had nothing, no incident like this since some years ago when the Queensland Police were investigating the death of Nancy Crick where we had a number of police raids executed on Exit premises. But that's some several years ago.
So there's be no, nothing of this nature and in fact we felt that we had quite a cordial relationship with police forces in many states where we are often contacted and we cooperate fully and the relationship has been good. So this comes as quite a surprise.
SHANE MCLEOD: The euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke speaking there with Meredith Griffiths. |
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By: aracicstephen@ymail.com
14/11/2009
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Euthanasia is illegal in South Australia and his situation sparked a right-to-life debate at the time of him entering a coma. Health Minister John Hill this month urged families to have "serious debate" about the services terminally ill people want and need in the "last days of their lives", but did not advocate euthanasia.
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Just a suggestion. Why don't you pick a State where, Euthanasia is legal? If that is any help. |
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By: dallone.ranger
14/11/2009
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| There are no states or Territories in OZ where VE is legal. |
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By: peaceleo69
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urged families to have "serious debate" about the services terminally ill people want and need in the "last days of their lives", but did not advocate euthanasia.
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Family?-Myself-husband ,Mother-(havent actually asked my Dad but he beleives its each persons buisness) My Catholic MIL ,3 sisters (Fourth wants a DNR)-Most of my aunts and most friends I know; all want the chance of possible VE-if life quality diminishes beyond point of return.
My children all know and respect how I feel.
Now; thats just a microcosm-but I think goes a long way to supporting the regular 82% who would feel a lot better ;if there was an option of VE at the end of life.
In the end-only a portion of people will need the ability to avail themsleves of it-but the securty of knowing it is available and that we are not going to rot away; drooling and defecating ourselves ;in some nursing home- where overworked staff -or in the future;robots; have little time to spare for any personl services to us;while we clog up beds, chew up health dollars and make nursing homes and pharma companies rich; as we are kept for as long as possible in a semi comotose state.
VE-looks a pretty good option from where I sit now-and from the horror tales we hear coming from underfunded ,overworked and understaffed hospices and nursing homes-and the projection is for it to get worse; as population grows; yet bed numbers all but stagnate.
As to Drs not being expected to terminate someone-there are many who would help aged and families openly;instead of surreptitiously; as today-and in other cases; it only takes a drip to be attached;extra mophine added and the patient to be able to activate the drip in their own time.
But prefferably, a nice flavoured little pill to sip with a glass of favourite beverage and allowed to slip away; surrounded by loved ones -at a time of ones own choosing.
This scenario would only end up applying to a small proportion as many will die quickly-heartattack,accid ent etc |
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By: peaceleo69
16/11/2009
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/6473878 /disabled-baby-in-uk-court-battle-dies/
Disabled baby in UK court battle diesAAP November 15, 2009, 8:22 am
A severely disabled baby boy at the centre of a court battle between his parents has died after his father dropped his objection to switching off his ventilator, a report said on Saturday.
The one-year-old boy, known as Baby RB, was the subject of an emotionally charged High Court case after his father challenged doctors who argued that the child's life support should be switched off "in his best interests".
The father later withdrew his objections and the judge agreed he should be allowed to die in peace.
His mother told the Mail on Sunday newspaper that the couple, who are separated, had cuddled him as they switched off his life support system on Friday and he died shortly afterwards.
She told the newspaper: "When they took his tube out, I was cuddling him. It was so amazing to see him without it - it's the longest we had seen his face properly.
"The last thing I said to him was that I loved him and would always be there for him."
The boy was thought to have congenital myasthenic syndrome (CMS), a rare neuromuscular condition which severely limits his ability to breathe, move his limbs or make facial expressions.
The court was told that he had such acute breathing problems that if the ventilator had been slowed even by a fraction, he would have died.
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how horrible for the parents to undergo this and what can one think of a god who can infliuct this kind of suffering on a tiny being-yet not wish for it to be alleviated but rather expect the child to suffer for as long as humanly possible.
The mind boggles at the justification of fanatical Right to lifers ;when one sees a situation like this.
If god caused it; as his will-then expects the baby and parents to continue suffering for as long as possible; till he decides when enough is enough-that's some compassionate god! |
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By: dallone.ranger
16/11/2009
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| Just imagine how it would be in the world today if there was no Muslim god to appease. |
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Had a conversation yesterday with a woman whose grandad is dying.
He's in a community setting and they dont want him to go to hospital because of previous experiences there.
He is no longer able to sit up, let alone stand and walk. He can't even turn himself over in bed - his family do most of his personal cares, with help from the staff of the home.
He fluctuates between lucidity and delerium.
He's no longer eating or drinking food or fluids as such but can take medication orally. All his meds have been stopped except for the pain relief he's having.
And there in lies the problem. He has said he is in more pain and his family know he is from past experience of his pain related responses and behaviours.
He is already receiving a narcotic, but his GP refuses to increase it to relieve the mans pain because the side effects will hasten the mans death and he (the GP) has told the family he is worried about any comeback on himself.
The family are well aware of the side effects but their main concern is to see their husband/dad/grandad pain free and peaceful in his dying, not in pain and distressed as he is now.
I gave this woman my opinion and encouraged her to speak with the GP and the staff of the setting again about increasing the mans medication.
I reminded her that if she felt her grandads needs weren't being met by his GP, they were perfectly entitled to ask for another Dr to review him.
I tried to help her get over her feelings of guilt (about the side effects) by reminding her that the 'intention' behind increasing his meds was to relieve his pain and resulting distress, to allow him a more peaceful dying and death, NOT to knock him off.
I'll be keeping in touch with her.
And I'll be keeping my ears and eyes open for this GP about the place as well.
If he cannot meet the patients needs because of a personal/professional ethical dilemma, he should step back rather than let the man suffer. |
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And there lies the problem if ever Abbott became the PM.
Abortion would go also.
Bloody god botherers. |
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It's not just the god botherers Dallone, it's anyone who cannot accept that the human body does NOT live forever, that we DO die.
Do the politicians in Aus use the Conscience Vote for issues such as euthanasia, abortion, h0m0sexual law reform etc? |
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| 'God botherers' as you put it are probably doing what they believe is 'right' regardless of the effect on the terminally ill person. Likewise medical staff are legally bound to maintain life irrespective of the actual quality of life. One argument is that 'apparently' terminal cases occasionally recover, but that must be relatively rare. Quite clearly issues such as this are guaranteed to draw heated debate from both sides, personally I'd find some way to get my hands on a few packets of sleeping pills but not every situation lends itself to comparable action. Probably the most equitable solution is to allow individuals the right to self determination but given our badly flawed political system its hard to imagine this ever being allowed. |
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