By: reidsays@y7mail.com
21/10/2009
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Anyone watch the Insight session on "how the justice system deals with convicted paedophiles and whether the approach is working"
Thought it covered everything well and several points raised of special interest...
That the reactions of horrified parents are only after CONVICTED sex offenders, when many are living in the area undetected...HENCE the need for teaching your children safety measures and awareness..far more than focussing on removing any convicted felons from the neighbourhood.
That part of the problem is lack of social skills and distorted comprehension of intimacy...so locking up all ages together can only lead to further problems....the old training the younger in further tactics of grooming, etc.
That a paedophilia is a psychiatric condition and 'sex offender' is a court definitive used on people that are not necessarily paedophiles...
That the problem and fears need confronting and addressing adequately rather than emotive reactions dominating......
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
21/10/2009
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| The session in question failed to address the situation with 'significant' pedophiles ie judges, magistrates, barristers, teachers, cops, politicians who rarely if ever get anything like the extent of media attention that old Ferguson received. I can well understand that parents are concerned about pedophiles living in their area, but the system appears quite capable of diverting the public angst to the odd aging down and out scumbag whilst allowing 'significant' rockspiders who invariably committed infinitely worse offences to escape virtually scot free. These ones should be regarded as far far more despicable than old Ferguson because they were in a position of trust when they did their dastardly deeds. |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
21/10/2009
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Yes agree there Illbe...
Someone or THING points the media attention at ONE loner figure whilst others are left unnoticed:(( |
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21/10/2009
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Someone or THING points the media attention at ONE loner figure whilst others are left unnoticed:((
Its called 'influence' .... depends WHO you know |
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22/10/2009
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| castrate them with a blunt knife and cautorise with a red hot steel bar. |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
22/10/2009
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castrate them with a blunt knife and cautorise with a red hot steel bar
No problem, just remember to track down the thousands of so called 'upper class' rockspiders who committed far worse crimes than certain down & out scumbags but that the media doesn't tell you about |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
22/10/2009
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Always the reaction....castrate or imprison for life or murder!
But as Illbe states....this is a major problem for children and adolescents in society and surely has a core element that humanity needs to know!
Those with power and influence DO get away with it and many people often say "oh but they did so much good and were such GOOD people"....as if this justifies the blatant sacrifice of young lives!
It is part of the modus operandi TO lead 'GOOD' lives as a cover...or even perhaps DUE to the pressures and worship the ordinary folk place onto them?
The obvious convicted sex offenders are indeed down and out and more visible.....yet they are NOT the major culprits!
Denial works SO well eh:( |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
22/10/2009
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Interesting also that the ability to socialise and experience intimacy on a normal level (not necessarily sexual intimacy either)...seems prevalent in society.
Only certain people are included and the rest ostracised to their exclusion and ridicule in social interchanges...are people creating pockets of such such isolation and lack of contact with others that the ordinary folk are assisting in creating the paedophile??
Is it the 'innocence' they seek or 'contact with another human being'?????
Many may fall into this category huh |
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By: hannacola
22/10/2009
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SBS Insight
Not in my neighbourhood
http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/ |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
22/10/2009
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Only certain people are included and the rest ostracised to their exclusion and ridicule in social interchanges...are people creating pockets of such such isolation and lack of contact with others that the ordinary folk are assisting in creating the paedophile??
Dunno if its as simple as that. For example, I'm the furthest thing possible from a party animal although I have a smallish group (dozen or so) of very close friends, many of whom I've known for thirty years. A few self proclaimed 'experts' have suggested I'm socially isolated (we all know about 'experts') but I definitely prefer quality to quantity in relationships. Now according to certain 'experts' I'm supposed to be a prime candidate for pedophelia (perish the thought) but people I've known & drunk vino rosso with for twenty or thirty years know well that if anything I'm allergic to children. For that matter I don't believe any human is mature before at least age 30 (and only some at that) |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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oh gawd no Illbe...I too can be quite an isolated being....plenty of those around that do not seek the intimacy and openness of children!
No...just bringing in a possibility....why I loathe peeps saying a man isn't a man....is too wimpy or ugly or gross or whatever...and many only seem to allow SOME to have sex ffs...when infact ALL adults are sexual beings, what the word kinda means eh...being an adult means you are a physically mature ...err..ADULT!
No matter what you look like, how handicapped you are, etc, all are adults physically? |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
23/10/2009
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No matter what you look like, how handicapped you are, etc, all are adults physically?
Its a horribly sick society we live in when we can't recognize obvious deviance as the disorder it is and treating it accordingly, rather than, for example, sticking a label like 'gay' on it and thus legitimizing it and giving it an appearance of normality. Same goes for many other mental disorders, people who have succumbed to the stress of contemporary life are all to frequently drugged out of their mind and conveniently parked away 'out of sight, out of mind' when they could in many if not most cases be rehabilitated with a bit of one on one therapy. Pedophiles are probably a similar case, surely no halfway sane adult would gain the same pleasure from a child that they would from a proper adult relationship so I can only asusme they they have a few short circuits in their brains that could possibly be fixed (in at least some cases) with a bit of effort if only society was prepared to exercise a bit of effort. What really gets up my nose is the habit of crucifying the likes of old Ferguson whilst totally ignoring the thousands of 'significant' rockspiders. Its a scarey indication of just how many lobotomized rednecks we have in our society. |
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By: juneregger@rocketmail.com
23/10/2009
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ill_be back,
There is no cure for sex affenders .They can take a drug that suppessers the urge. |
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By: juneregger@rocketmail.com
23/10/2009
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There should be no excuses for people that are on drugs , and alcohol.
Maybe if some people that are born slow then yes they should not be punished ,but given support. |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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Careful June (hi btw:)....
Sex offenders are anyone charged with all manner of offences....in a society that has sex in every aspect of visibility to all and sundry....this can mean confused adolescents to a 'flasher'!!!
Paedophilia is a psychiatric classification for those attracted to a child's undeveloped body and not all sex offenders are paedophiles!
Unfortunately any sex registrar has been rendered almost useless by the addition of these many cases.
Many adolescent males are now having sex with younger children.....are these males paedophiles or are they confused about the messages relayed to them constantly within our society? |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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Illbe "people who have succumbed to the stress of contemporary life are all to frequently drugged out of their mind and conveniently parked away 'out of sight, out of mind' when they could in many if not most cases be rehabilitated with a bit of one on one therapy"
And unfortunately many of these people are survivors of their own childhood sexual abuse!
The government is finally accepting therapy sessions for anyone that needs assistance (no proof necessarily needed unless compensation comes into it) but this therapy usually falls under Cognitive Behavioural Sessions ('Pavlov's Dog' I call it!)
The amount of childhood sexual abuse that emerged from the ever so perfect 50s is horrendous!
These victims have grouped together and fought for years and years to be recognised, acknowledged and provided assistance:(
It really depends on the professionalism and knowledge of the therapist as to how well they do improve....heal from their ordeal and go from victims to survivors to thrivers! |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
23/10/2009
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And unfortunately many of these people are survivors of their own childhood sexual abuse!
Sure, but that should only make the disorder more easily recognized and therefore treatable before it gets out of hand. |
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The amount of childhood sexual abuse that emerged from the ever so perfect 50s is horrendous!
These victims have grouped together and fought for years and years to be recognised, acknowledged and provided assistance:(
Exactly, and the real blame belongs to invariably disinterested & intractible bureaucrazies (SIC) that have forgotten (if indeed they ever knew) their whole purpose in being is to be of service to those who pay their wages. |
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By: jessy67@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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The sad fact with sex offence is it's after the event and only if caught. A greater sadness is all the sex offenders in the making, ie thee yet to be, a result of something with our society, just maybe?
Hmm, cause and effect, i can only pray our focus shifts towards the root of the problem. |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
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Illbe "Exactly, and the real blame belongs to invariably disinterested & intractible bureaucrazies (SIC) that have forgotten (if indeed they ever knew) their whole purpose in being is to be of service to those who pay their wages."
Not quite ALL the blame Illbe....certainly there are paedophile rings in high places that prevent the truth being revealed....but individuals and entire families will protect the abuser within their own ranks and place blame or silence or cires of mental health issues ON THE VICTIM!!! |
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| cires=cries* |
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jessy "Hmm, cause and effect, i can only pray our focus shifts towards the root of the problem."
Agree entirely Jessy.....never a mention of this reality? |
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23/10/2009
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I noticed in the show, and it is something that nobody has mentioned here, it was mentioned by The Hon. Murray Kellam, Former Vic Supreme Court Judge, that over 80% of these crimes are committed by people that the children know, and mostly in their own home. It is not the "stranger danger" thing that they need to be worried about, although that does happen, it is in the minority.
This is something that has been said over and over again, yet never seems to get through to people. They always seem to be on the lookout for the "bad guy" coming to get them from outside, meanwhile daddy, or uncle, or nephew, or grandpa is molesting their children left, right and centre. |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
23/10/2009
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The sad fact with sex offence is it's after the event and only if caught. A greater sadness is all the sex offenders in the making, ie thee yet to be, a result of something with our society, just maybe? Hmm, cause and effect, i can only pray our focus shifts towards the root of the problem.
I don't process to have any expertise in psychology or social work although I have several degrees in other areas. Nevertheless I'm certain I could do an infinitely better job of identifying many of those at risk of becoming pedophiles than 90% of the so called 'experts'. The issue definitely needs to be addressed at source but it seems thats not on anyones agenda, most probably because nobody perceives the possibility of 'brownie points' being awarded. |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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andy "This is something that has been said over and over again, yet never seems to get through to people. They always seem to be on the lookout for the "bad guy" coming to get them from outside, meanwhile daddy, or uncle, or nephew, or grandpa is molesting their children left, right and centre."
Yep....exactly....was hoping others would add what I forgot!
The authorities STILL put out the 'stranger danger' myth despite these stats?
And the focus on children being taught to use their own gut instincts and caution AND be able to tell the truth and be HEARD...is still sadly overlooked:(
Protection of the family unit is over and beyond protection of the children within it???? |
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