By: aussiearisen
24/09/2009
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The spiritual cohesion of our wonderful country is being eroded. Each generation hands down a less liveable social structure to it`s offspring.
What does this achieve? Why destroy the best country on Earth? - Is it envy? Or Ego? |
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By: loopygiggles
24/09/2009
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| Unfortunately it's happening all over the world. We seem to be heading toward the future as seen on Terminator or Blade Runner or Total Recall... |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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Aren't we wealthier, healthier and safer than ever before? And surely, this doesn't stand separately from the changes in our social structure?
How exactly is Australia - or "the best country on Earth" - being destroyed? |
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By: idontlikechookstheypeck
24/09/2009
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| Now now jay... let's not ruin a good divisive story by presenting facts and logic... |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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"Aren't we wealthier, healthier and safer than ever before?"
Nope. We eat 'food' barely fit for animal consumption, we don't exrecise, we end up fat lazy slobs.
Safer? Don't think so...We're also losing the ability to protect ourselves due to the doctrine of the wussies...be the bigger man and walk away type BS. That only works if everyones gonna play by the rules. You can't reason with a gang of thugs who want to bash you sensless for your mobile phone.
Wealthier? Well, ya can't eat money and you can't take it with you. Is wealth on paper even a good thing?
But it's not just australia, there's poweful and greedy idiots everywhere who would sell their own mothers for a share portfolio, and they'll continue ruining it for everyone until they are reined in. |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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Healthier - by way of our living longer and having greater opportunity to partake in a lifestyle conducive to good health and a higher standard of living. Medicine and technology allows us to detect and treat illnesses. We have a better understanding of the human body, and subsequently, the consequences that might come from abusing it.
Safer - by way of relatively lower crime rates across the majority of developed nations. No major World Wars. |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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Living longer doesn't mean we are healthier.
It just reflects the trend of forcing people to stay alive, even if they are in constant agony, can't move and want to die.
It's a good way to stack the stats, but look at say, your average 23 year old these days and compare it to your average 23 year old even as little as 50 years ago. It's not a good trend. There's a big difference between having an understanding of the human body, and actually putting it into practice.....which brings me to the cusp of another rant. How much DO you understand about the human body? these days theres too much information, much of it contradicting the rest. One day some 'study' is released with the conclusions that chocolate and alcohol are good for you...the next day another study taht says they'll send you to an early grave. So what do you believe? I'll tell ya what to believe....common sense. If something doesn't occur naturally, your bodies not equipped to handle it. But human nature being as it is, they'll always try to find a way to justify their poor choices. You can cite all the studies you like that says that drinking a glass and a half of gravy each day will make you live to 150, but it doesn't make it so. |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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'Living longer doesn't mean we are healthier'
-king_bast
Which is pretty much why I followed the claim that "we're living longer" with an entire paragraph, namely relating to our capacity to enjoy a greater degree of lifestyle choices. Also had a bit in there about medicine and technology.
And there isn't "too much" information. There's a lot of ideas, theories and even findings - much of which might be deemed rubbish - but we're in the fortunate position of being able to distinguish this information from necessary, vital and proper information. A little bit of critical thinking and a lot of reasoned thought goes a long way. |
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By: idontlikechookstheypeck
24/09/2009
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Living longer doesn't mean we are healthier.
It just reflects the trend of forcing people to stay alive, even if they are in constant agony, can't move and want to die.
It's a good way to stack the stats, but look at say, your average 23 year old these days and compare it to your average 23 year old even as little as 50 years ago. It's not a good trend. There's a big difference between having an understanding of the human body, and actually putting it into practice.....which brings me to the cusp of another rant. How much DO you understand about the human body? these days theres too much information, much of it contradicting the rest. One day some 'study' is released with the conclusions that chocolate and alcohol are good for you...the next day another study taht says they'll send you to an early grave. So what do you believe? I'll tell ya what to believe....common sense. If something doesn't occur naturally, your bodies not equipped to handle it. But human nature being as it is, they'll always try to find a way to justify their poor choices. You can cite all the studies you like that says that drinking a glass and a half of gravy each day will make you live to 150, but it doesn't make it so.>> bast
Mmyeah. Sometimes I like to drift onto tangents too.
Time for a cuppa? |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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"And there isn't "too much" information. There's a lot of ideas, theories and even findings - much of which might be deemed rubbish - but we're in the fortunate position of being able to distinguish this information from necessary, vital and proper information."
So you think everybody 'just knows' what's rubbish and what isn't?
People will believe what suits them.
We see it all the time...fatties claiming they are somehow more 'real' than someone who looks after themself.
I bet you think you should eat more grains and cereals than fruit and veg, cos that's what you've been taught. 'snot true...it's due to a re-writing of the 'healthy eating pyramid' to suit the sponsors...kelloggs!!!!
Maybe there never was a time when peoples supreme goal was just to be the best they could be, rather than accumulating as much shite as they can, maybe I'm being too romantic, but it sure would make a big difference if it were true. |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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| oh poo...I've gone off on a tangent again. Maybe a cuppa would be nice....or is it gonna kill me? |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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'So you think everybody 'just knows' what's rubbish and what isn't? People will believe what suits them'
-king_bast
...and they always have. Though the idea that it's somehow worse know, then it was before, is ludicrous. For Christ's sake, how long did people buy into the idea that cigarettes were okay for you. At least now we have the resources available to judge the validity of such claims for ourselves.
Your food pyramid example is a case in point. We're in the fortunate position of knowing that much of what is on the side of a cereal box is geared toward selling more cereal.
It's not as if ignorance is a new thing. |
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By: loocy_lastik
24/09/2009
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"One day some 'study' is released with the conclusions that chocolate and alcohol are good for you...the next day another study taht says they'll send you to an early grave. So what do you believe?"
Oh. I can answer that one. It's clearly the former. Cos the latter sux. |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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"It's not as if ignorance is a new thing."
True, but the consequences are much more far-reaching now. |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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'True, but the consequences are much more far-reaching now'
-king_bast
How so? Keeping in mind we're talking about health. |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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" For Christ's sake, how long did people buy into the idea that cigarettes were okay for you. At least now we have the resources available to judge the validity of such claims for ourselves."
I belive they were told that by the 'learned' never mind that it goes against common sense. Those resources you speak of are not really at your disposal are they? How many of these claims can you really test for yourself? You're still at the mercy of those in charge of the information. Nothings changed in that regard. |
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By: aussiearisen
24/09/2009
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"How exactly is Australia - or "the best country on Earth" - being destroyed?"
Australia is losing it`s cohesion, it`s obvious to all but the most stunned. |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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'Those resources you speak of are not really at your disposal are they? How many of these claims can you really test for yourself?'
-king_bast
Ah, but the sheer volume of information - much of which is made public - allows us a wider scope to formulate an opinion. Which is where critical thinking and reasoned thought comes into it.
And it is certainly better now, than it was before. |
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By: jaykaye_09
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'Australia is losing it`s cohesion, it`s obvious to all but the most stunned'
-aussiearisen
Examples being...?
And this is a negative how...? |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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"How so? Keeping in mind we're talking about health."
If woolies decided they'd only stock synthetic meat and soylent green tomorrow, that would mean half of australia would lose access to the nutrition they need.
If pfizer told you that taking their (patented) serum consisting of horseshit, *** nic and water would lower your risk of heart disease by 60%, millions of stooges would be lining up to get their dose.
If an indian billionaire decided he wanted to build a gas plant on a prsitine island, home to rare and endangered species, so long as the moneys there, who gives a fk about what he does to the environment?
If a certain aluminium producing multinational wanted to expand its already horribly polluting operations closer to peoples homes, so long as they can pay for it, they can, and to hell with the health problems of the nearby residents.
I could go on...but do I need to? |
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By: jaykaye_09
24/09/2009
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I don't disagree. Though I imagine you to be underestimating the strength of the consumer. Were Woolworths to indulge in such a hypothetical (and it really does come off as hyperbole), then I don't imagine it would serve them well. No doubt the public backlash would be huge...
...and organic, fresh food stores would grow in prominence (as they are).
And don't get me started on pharmaceuticals. Horrible, horrible corporations.
In any case, how is this worse now, than it was before? |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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"In any case, how is this worse now, than it was before?"
beacsue, in a general trend, we shift responsibilty for our wellbeing and way of life from oursleves and close associates, to multinational, inhuman corporations that couldn't care less about us as people, just the colour of our money.
Globalisation was (supposedly) intended to bring us all clsoer together, but it's done just the opposite. eg...how many of you sponsor a world vision kid? And out of you, how many would give the same amount of money to your local homeless bum? If we are meant to care for all 7 billion people on earth, where do we get the time for lloking after our own? Seems the 'learned' are more worried about afghan boat people than their own neighbours.
bah....another tangent. Oh well. |
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By: king_bast
24/09/2009
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| Hehe...didn't even address the question really. meh... |
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By: king_bast
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"In any case, how is this worse now, than it was before?"
take 2....what percentage of the worlds population would you reckon could grow all their own food? Taking into account that approximately 2 shitloads of people live in high rise dogboxes and have no access to fertile soil, it means that they cannot take full responsibility for their food needs. they've gotta rely on someone though...and that soemone won't do what's right for the consumer, only for themselves.
If I wanted to knock together my own house, I wouldn't be allowed to. Government regualtions and permits would mean I have to trust the responsibility for it to an 'approved' builder and pay the council a small fortune for......nothing! My options for myself are slowly being eroded, although I keep hearing we have greater choice than ever. A choice betwen mcdonalds and hungry jacks really is no choice at all. |
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By: aussiearisen
24/09/2009
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jaykaye : "Examples being...?"
You can`t be serious? - This fact is so obvious to anyone with a pulse, and even to those recently buried and cremated, it`s actually very hard to take a question like this seriously.
This country is being devidided up into increasingly numerous enclaves of differant cultures, races, religions etc.
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jaykaye : "And this is a negative how...?"
Again, stunningly, who hasn`t heard of the terms, -
United we stand, divided we fall.
Divide and conquer.
The need to work as a team.
Any immigrant who doesn`t attempt to work in for the good of their new country is nothing more than a parasite. |
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