By: sr_gk
26/02/2008
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Sikhs are well known around the world for their turbans and long hair and unshaven faces. They are allowed to wear turbans all over the world including UK and USA. In India Sikhs are exempt from wearing helmets even though it is strict requirements in all states to wear helmet when riding motorbikes.
The strict uniform policy of the Ormiston college is an attack on Sikh community and just the beginnig of intolerence to other minority cultures. If a Principal and the teachers of that college do not know anything about Sikhs then they must be unfit to be teachers. If they know all about Sikhs and still insist on not allowing a Sikh boy to wear turban what more could it be than racism?
Australia should open its eyes to differentiate between the good and the bad. Mere laziness to learn more about other cultures and to distinguish the good from the evil or bad should not be allowed. There are always exceptions to any rule and the school should exercise caution before refusing to accept other cultures. By this act of ignorance or intolerence Ormiston college will be singled out by various ethnic communities. |
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By: meonrhw
26/02/2008
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rubbish conditions for entry to the school require haircut & school clothing.
It does not matter what the religion , race or creed is the school rules apply for admission.
I would suspect the conditions would have been known to the people before they applied . |
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By: caesarooney
26/02/2008
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The wearing of a school uniform is to make all kids the same and equal.
If he wants to wear the turban for religious reasons, then he should attend a school for that religion. If there are none in Australia, then they should go back to where they came from where there will be ample choice.
I am sick of one set of rules for the minorities and one set for everyone else. |
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By: foxdemonau
26/02/2008
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No it's not racism. The right word is 'ethnocentric'.
I do get tried of people claiming everything and everyone is racist. This is done simpily to morally dominate the audience and demand complience with a particular action the accuser favours. That is pure manipulation. Please stop cr@ping on about racism.
The Sikhs should be able to wear turbans though. The school should review it's dress code regulations. There is nothing inproper or disrespectful about a Sikh's turban, indeed they are digified and respectable. So allowing students to wear them would not tanish the school's image. |
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By: gnads2002
26/02/2008
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The whole point is the school has Uniform Rules .... if these rules don't suit the parents then they should find another school.
Why do people such as yourself always play the race/religious discrimination card in matters where a minority who want to buck the system don't get what they want?
Forget the minority ... what about what the majority want?
Ormiston College is a non-denominational school so matters of religion should not play a part in it's rules and
curriculum. Children of any race & religion can go there as long as they are prepared to abide by their rules & regulations.
There is also a song and dance on at the moment over some Sikh men and a Muslim woman with a face veil being asked to remove them at an Airport security check ...... for goodness sake the Turban and the head gear & veil are items of clothing .... religious or not it is clothing ... and if asked to be removed in this instance ... it should be done without question.
Why should the rest of the people be the only ones to be expected to remove items of their clothing and/or be strip searched if they were randomly picked out of a airport queue?
Are you the same sort of person that would support Muslim women having their Drivers Lisence photo taken in a full Burkha or face veil? As well as Sikh men who want to ride a motorbike being exempt from wearing a crash helmet?
Regardless of what Sikhs do in India it isn't a matter of the majority being culturally aware of Sikhs ... it's they who need to be aware of the culture of the country they have migrated to ...... there are schools that accept the wearing of Turbans.
In our world of competition and choice .... find another school and stop trying to force your minority ideals and religions onto those who don't wish it.
Your quote:
"By this act of ignorance or intolerence Ormiston college will be singled out by various ethnic communities".
Is that some sort of threat? What's a religion got to do with ethnicity? |
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By: caesarooney
26/02/2008
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Are you the same sort of person that would support Muslim women having their Drivers Lisence photo taken in a full Burkha or face veil? As well as Sikh men who want to ride a motorbike being exempt from wearing a crash helmet?
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There was a woman in Melbourne on the news not so long back granted permission to her her drivers licence photo in the full burka. Her eyes were not even visible because of the mesh that covered them.
Now, Jedi is a recognised religion and can be selected by choice on the national census. Does that mean one can go dressed as Darth Vadar for their drivers licens pic? Would be interesting I think.... |
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By: gibbot5000
26/02/2008
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"If they know all about Sikhs and still insist on not allowing a Sikh boy to wear turban what more could it be than racism?"
Garbage.
No problem with Sikhs, but school is no place for religion - all religion.
It is divisive and it is anti-reason. Kids have enough to learn without
being subjected to mumbo jumbo. |
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By: fkenoath
26/02/2008
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"If he wants to wear the turban for religious reasons, then he should attend a school for that religion. If there are none in Australia, then they should go back to where they came from where there will be ample choice."
I agree with you 100% |
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By: sorbythomas@y7mail.com
26/02/2008
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school is about learning and conforming,this requires rules.
If you cant conform to the rules or don't like them don't go there.
why call it discrimination if these rules where in place. |
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By: tlkr_11
26/02/2008
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There is also a song and dance on at the moment over some Sikh men and a Muslim woman with a face veil being asked to remove them at an Airport security check ...... for goodness sake the Turban and the head gear & veil are items of clothing .... religious or not it is clothing ... and if asked to be removed in this instance ... it should be done without question.
Why should the rest of the people be the only ones to be expected to remove items of their clothing and/or be strip searched if they were randomly picked out of a airport queue?
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If Customs officers can legally strip search people, then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to insist that someone removes a turban or headscarf.
Airport security rules should be THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY.
On the matter of wearing a turban in schools - I have no problem with the boy wanting to wear his turban as long as he does not attempt to impose his beliefs on anyone else. |
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By: buzzanddidj
26/02/2008
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'If Customs officers can legally strip search people, then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to insist that someone removes a turban or headscarf'
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They already have this power
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By: buzzanddidj
26/02/2008
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'why call it discrimination if these rules were in place'
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These rules have not been in place previously
A number of Sikh students have previously attended Ormiston
The Sikh head-wear ban is a personal directive by the new head-master
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By: hiho468
26/02/2008
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| these sikh's should just shut up and stop complaining, they are in Australia now and they should act and live like aussi's. if we were in there country we would be expected to live by their laws so grow up and live by Aussi rules!!! |
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By: southerncrossforever
26/02/2008
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| if they want to practise their religion and its customs thats great...if they want to go to religious school and practise those customs thats also great...but if they want to go to another school where those customs dont apply then stiff...find a school that does... |
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By: g_mitaxa
26/02/2008
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| Should we travel or live overseas we are expected to abide by rules and customs of that country.The most racist country on the planet is India.THe middle east is full of them should you be unfortunate to be in charge of any that are asociated with your project and reject any of ther work Instantly they whip out the racist card.I was screamed at by an indian contractor for rejecting equipment that failed to meet the specification.You are a racist Australian bas_tard he screamed and complained to he Indian embassy. I do not have a biggotted bone in my body I hate everyone equally I stated to the embassy official that landed in my office. AS for those sikhs let them fit or go back to india.Australia does not have to all wear beards or turbans. |
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By: southerncrossforever
26/02/2008
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>>>Should we travel or live overseas we are expected to abide by rules and customs of that country<<<
and that is the bottom line... |
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By: emucorp
26/02/2008
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"If he wants to wear the turban for religious reasons, then he should attend a school for that religion. If there are none in Australia, then they should go back to where they came from where there will be ample choice."
What a hoot.
Firstly consider the garbage people are subjected to when they do try and open a school predicated on the principles of their faith (think Camden)
Secondly it's likely the kid was born here.
My suggestion is that people should get over their mindless prejudices. The very people yelling about rules are probably the first to break them when it suits them. Either way, the rules are designed to create standards, not robots. Get over it. |
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By: stephanofmoorna
26/02/2008
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I'm sick and tired of hearing these kinds of stories.
When I chose to make Australia my new home I did it fully accepting the laws of this land, and the way of life I was prepared to settle into, and that is exactly what every other person entering this country should do.
If they feel they can't, or don't want to for any reason what-so-ever then they have a clear choice to make, leave and go elsewhere in the world, or shut up and accept things as they are here without kicking up a fuss because something doesn't fit in with what YOU want every moment. |
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By: buzzanddidj
26/02/2008
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'The most racist country on the planet is India'
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When I travelled India, I wore western attire without incident
Not once was i asked to 'fit or go back' to Australia
'Australia does not have to all wear beards or turbans.'
Who is saying they have too ?
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By: stephanofmoorna
26/02/2008
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"When I travelled India, I wore western attire without incident
Not once was i asked to 'fit or go back' to Australia"
.....But if you'd tried to demand that they bend the odd rule for you, you'd have found yourself in deep, deep cr@p.
Just try giving your wife or girlfriend even a peck on the cheek there, and then try claiming it's your culture and they ought to recognise it as being so, but before you do just be prepared to spend a while rotting in one of their stinking prisons because that's how far you'll get with their tolerance levels of other clutures. |
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By: emucorp
26/02/2008
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| I'm always curious when people quote other's intolerance as justification for their own for two reasons. 1) Do they really think that's a valid argument? and 2) How will they cope in Year 4? |
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By: colmanley
26/02/2008
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I agree wif caesarooney,wen the ppl come 2 Aus they know our culture so they should abide by our ways NOT theirs & if they don't like it then GO BACK 2 their own country or anywhere they'll b wanted.
I'm sick n tired of hearin ppl from other countries complainin bout us Aussies & OZ,get out & don't come bk if u think our ways r bad but they know our ways r good & better than their own country,,so 2 all those WHINGERS,sHUT THE HELL UP OR GO BK 2 UR OWN COUNTRY |
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By: caesarooney
26/02/2008
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Regardless if we are there or they are here.... when in Rome.
The school said no religious attire permitted... it's a neutral/state/non demonational school. If you are not happy then don't attend. Why do 'they' (meaning the minorities) always have to create a fuss and play the racist card.... no matter what it is.
I am sick to death of seeing and hearing them whinge. Being a female, if I were to attend a school in their country, I am sure I could not wear a short sports skirt, sleeveless sport top and hair down as we dressed in high school here.
I don't give a rats a** how offended they are. You can't wear a burka or turban to a state school. GET OVER IT. |
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By: emucorp
26/02/2008
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| I'm always curious when people quote other's intolerance as justification for their own for two reasons. 1) Do they really think that's a valid argument? and 2) How will they cope in Year 4? |
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By: buzzanddidj
26/02/2008
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'But if you'd tried to demand that they bend the odd rule for you, you'd have found yourself in deep, deep cr@p.
Just try giving your wife or girlfriend even a peck on the cheek there, and then try claiming it's your culture and they ought to recognise it as being so'
By: stephanofmoorna
This sort of thing was never an issue
Not sharing a bed with my same-sex partner
Nor getting blind drunk on the roof of the house-boat in which we stayed
Al this in Srinigar, Kashmir, Muslim India
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