By: fribulator_2000
11/01/2008
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<<According to the federal government, there are 14,000 illegal immigrants roaming the country.
We urgently need to introduce a national ID card system with severe penalties for anybody employing or transacting with a person who does not produce an ID card...>>
14,000 illegal immigrants compared to a population of some 22,000,000. Hell, we better put the rest of the population in a giant cage for protection.
Maybe this ID card business is a little too disporportionate to the problem you think it's supposed to be dealing with.
Actually, the main problem its proponents claim it will combat is identity theft. Somehow, I'm a little sceptical that it will do this effectively and again feel the measure doesn't stack up to cost/benefit @n@lysis. But maybe I'm overlooking to who's benefit and shouldn't be considering the population as a whole.
Kafka's nightmare? |
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By: westlake.brian
11/01/2008
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I like that "raoming around the country" quote. Makes it sound like they're all wandering along dusty country roads, with their belongings tied up in a red polka-dot hankie on the end of a stick, going hat (or turban, eh Bambu?) in hand to beg work from remote farmhouses.
"Chop your wood, madam? Milk the cows? Can my family sleep in your barn? We'll be on our way come sun-up, on my honour, missus." |
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By: athair_siochain
11/01/2008
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By: bulldoost
Today (12:19 am)
Re:National ID card (PREVIEW)
i do wonder why my nick - sqoorviatek, was banned on message boards! do moderators do not like what i post? and these were actually repeated words from mr chadwick, then victorian privacy comissioner, in his public address on the value of privacy, on 23rd may 2006:
"Any government that wants to issue a unique identification number to most of the population and then to compile and link information about them using increasingly powerful technology bears a heavy onus to justify its case. 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear', directed at each member of the public, should be turned around and directed at government as: "No legitimate reason to know, no legitimate reason to ask'."
is this statement so disturbing that yahoo decided to delete my nick? and ban me from these boards??????????????????? ????????????????????????? ????????
maybe you only have one passport |
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By: bulldoost
11/01/2008
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athair_siochain - "sigh"... i know...
when i migrated to oz, i take citizenship and rescinded any other allegations, i have only one allegation - to oz! nobody else!
now, to subject at hand - during 2nd ww, germany introduced compulsory id cards - ausweiss - for everyone under they rule, there was very good industry in occupied territories - false ausweiss... in poland alone there is suspected that during 2nd ww there were made over 1,5million false personal id cards... (that is for 36million population...), there is research that in total, at any given time in europe at the time was more than 6million false id papers in circulation...
with today's technology, there is no problem to make indistiquishible papers after few trials and errors... if you want to print them, feel free, you have laser cutters to cut die for printing, some problem with plastics to substitute papers? chemical electronic an-al-ysis unit you can pick-up on auction just for few hundred dollars... you will have exact chemical component of the base as well as paint used to print... you do not need iq of 200 to solve that problems... |
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By: mario38rome
22/01/2008
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| What makes you think that you don't have what is virtually a National ID card already, just take a look at what your medicare card is linked up to, don't take my word for it go and do some research yourselves. |
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By: bulldoost
22/01/2008
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| mario38rome - i know... but i still prefer to pretend that i am free... |
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By: mario38rome
23/01/2008
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<<<but i still prefer to pretend that i am free...>>>
I understand, on the premise that ignorance is bliss or what you don't know can't hurt you. |
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By: winklebarge
30/01/2008
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| This is hilarious guys...nowt wrong with an ID card....I work at a great airport in Europe,and am trained in document,and visa control.Alot of europeans travel with their ID cards.Believe you me,there are many ways to detect forgerys,also with passports.You have to produce ID cards in pubs,discos etc.,even when buying ciggies,so one can see whether you are under age or not....good thing.Some countries even have ones with finger prints on.I am sure that they will eventually be introduced in Aus,as in the UK,where some folk are also against them. |
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By: winklebarge
30/01/2008
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| therefore,bulldoost,there is more to detecting a forgery than you can imagine...!! |
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By: athair_siochain
30/01/2008
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who would recieve the ID card,,,??
if you have two passports your ID CARD should say so,
or better still a blue card for true blues,
and a yellow card for pretenders |
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By: winklebarge
30/01/2008
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| Passports and ID cards are 2 different docs.You can have both...explain"true blue" and pretender" |
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By: athair_siochain
30/01/2008
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true blue 100% Aussie,
pretender, example,
(1) a Aussie pretender, goes overseas as a citizen of another Nation,
(2) a Aussie pretender goes overseas every two years to join a foriegn army, and if the crunch came they would fight for that foriegn Nation against true blue AUSSIES. |
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By: winklebarge
30/01/2008
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| Ta,see what u mean now. |
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By: mario38rome
30/01/2008
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| Nothing wrong with an ID card, if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear. |
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By: gaarf123
30/01/2008
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" I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE " and other Misunderstandings of Privacy.
a GOOOOOOOD READ!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/187371/-Ive-Got-Nothing- To-Hide-and-other-Misunderstandings-of-Privacy |
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By: harvey.wilson69
30/01/2008
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This is just a response to everyone on this subject, not directed towards the original poster of this thread.
Besides the government, there are thousands of other "personal data collecting companies" out there. Everyone fears the personal data/smart card because they feel their personal data is private. When, in reality, it hasn't been private since the invention of the computer.
Criminals, illegal immigrants, drug dealers, etc, etc would be brought to a screeching halt. You wouldn't be able to do anything without an ID card, not even be able to buy groceries. And, any possible illegal activity can be investigated. Could the pilots of 911 aircraft been stopped had there been an ID system in place? Maybe, maybe not, but there would have been a much greater chance at seeing their activities which led to 911. The prevention could have stood a much greater chance at being stopped before it happened.
Now there's many of you out there who feel your information should be kept private, including all your financial transactions. But, if it's so important to you, then what are you trying to hide? The honest, hard working citizen, who has nothing to hide should have no problems with such a tracking system.
What would you rather have? Criminals roaming the country? Or, a little more controll, available jobs, lower taxes, less dead beat dads, etc, etc... and the list goes on. The bennefits out-weigh everything else.... by far!!
What are YOU trying to hide today?
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Reading all the posts on the thread, this one is common sense, sure there will be criminals that will find ways around this technology but if it cuts 90% of fraud etc. bring it on. |
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By: headt791
30/01/2008
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What would you rather have?
Freedom. If i wanted to be someones monkey, i would have bought a collar and chain. |
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By: harvey.wilson69
30/01/2008
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| Why would an ID card that proves who you are somehow inhibit your freedom? |
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By: maxwontdie
30/01/2008
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"Any government that wants to issue a unique identification number to most of the population and then to compile and link information about them using increasingly powerful technology bears a heavy onus to justify its case. ...
'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear', directed at each member of the public, should be turned around and directed at government as: 'No legitimate reason to know, no legitimate reason to ask'." - Paul Chadwick, Victorian Privacy Commissioner, The Value of Privacy, 23 May 2006 |
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By: maxwontdie
30/01/2008
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Why would an ID card limit your freedom? Because an ID Card equipped with an RFID Chip is just a baby step away from being microchipped.
The following is a transcript of a conversation that occurred between recently deceased film maker and ex-politician, Aaron Russo & Nicolas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller Banking Family, in October 2000, 11 months before the "terrorist attacks" of sept 11 2001. Russo was a friend of the Rockefellers for many years but broke off the friendship, appalled at what they had divulged to him about their plans for the world and released his film. America - Freedom to Fascism.
NR: There's going to be an event Aaron and out of that event you’re going to see, we're going to go into Afghanistan so we can run pipelines to the Caspian Sea. We're going to go into Iraq to take the oil and establish a base in the Middle East and we're going to go into Venezuela and try and get rid of Chavez. You're going to see people going into caves (laughs) looking for people that they're never going to find.
AR’s comment: (He starts laughing about the fact that you’ve got this war on terror and there's no real enemy)
NR: By having this war on terror, you can never win it, so you've got this eternal war and so you can always keep taking peoples liberties away.
AR: But how are you going to convince people this war is real Nick?
NR: By the media. The media can convince everyone it's real. I mean, you know, you just keep talking about things and you keep saying it over and over and over again and eventually people believe this.
AR’s comment: (They created the Federal Reserve in 1913 through lies, they create 9/11, which is another lie, through 911 then your fighting a war on terror and now you suddenly go into Iraq which was another lie, and now they're going to do Iran. And it's all one thing leading to another, leading to another, leading to another.) |
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By: maxwontdie
30/01/2008
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AR: Well what are you doing this for? What is the point of all this? I mean, you have all the money in the world you could ever want, you have all the power, you know... I mean your hurting people and it's just not a good thing..."
NR: What do you care about the people for? Come on Aaron, you take care of yourself and you take care of your family.
AR: Well what are the ultimate goals here anyway Nick?
NR: The ultimate goal is to get everybody in this world chipped with an rfid chip and have all money be on those chips and all personal details and like everything on those chips. And if anybody wants to protest what we do or violate what we want we can just turn off their chip."
why would it limit your freedom indeed.... ID Cards and microchips would create a world hitler could only dream of... |
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By: maxwontdie
30/01/2008
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Could the pilots of 911 aircraft been stopped had there been an ID system in place? Maybe, maybe not, but there would have been a much greater chance at seeing their activities which led to 911
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Yes but unfortunately it is the very perpetrators of 911 who are the one wanting to now issue the world with ID cards.
911 was an inside job! It was Bush's Reichstag fire. The War on terror is fake. |
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30/01/2008
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By: harvey.wilson69
30/01/2008
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"The following is a transcript of a conversation that occurred between recently deceased film maker and ex-politician, Aaron Russo & Nicolas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller Banking Family, in October 2000, 11 months before the "terrorist attacks" of sept 11 2001."
Was this transcript published in a newspaper or book before 911 or did someone say this conversation happened in Oct 2000.
Or was it on the internet so that must mean it's true? |
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By: maxwontdie
31/01/2008
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it was recounted by Aaron Russo Himself in a film he made shortly before his death last year.
It is not heresay, it is not rumour. It is a recollection of the actual conversation by the person who had it who was a very respected film maker and whose dying wish was to bring the truth to the attention of of the world. |
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