By: jasonstephens76
3/02/2008
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| I can't see wat anyone would have against a national ID card. I couldn't care wat sort of imfo they put on it. I don't have any thing to hide. Or maybe thats just me. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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"I can't see wat anyone would have against a national ID card. I couldn't care wat sort of imfo they put on it. I don't have any thing to hide. Or maybe thats just me."
So you dont mind them storing biometric data on the card about you??
Biometrics refers to technologies that measure and a.n.a.l.y.s.e human body characteristics, such as fingerprints, eye retinas and irises, voice patterns, facial patterns and hand measurements, for authentication purposes.
Do you want them storing this information about you that can be used by any intelligent computer technology.
AI programs now are so good that they can tell who you are from your facial features in a blurry camera shot.
Hypothetically are you willing to risk that kind of breach of privacy?? |
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By: jasonstephens76
3/02/2008
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| Yes. I have nothing to hide. My past is clean. |
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By: maxwontdie
3/02/2008
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What I have against it is:
1. the potential for misuse.
2. It will do nothing whatsoever to prevent identity theft or improve security - and actually quite the opposite.
3. It is exactly the same type of mandatory checkpoint/ID check legislation that hitler imposed on the german people during ww2 - only far worse.
4. The fact that our soldiers died in the war to protect us from excatly this type of legislation
It is uneeded, will serve no other use at all other than to monitor the population, it is unaustralian, it is undemocratic, it is a violation of the privacy act and the potential for its misuse and abuse is enormous and cannot be overstated. No reason to know peoples personal details & no reason to control them.
I dont know, I guess Im just Unaustralian. I like to engage in certain passtimes that seem to be deemed unaustralian these days - like thinking and forming my own opinions based on fact instead of news media hype and I also have certain morals, standards and rules.
Rule number one. Never trust or believe one single word you hear from the government or any political figure or government source. Not one single word. Zip, zilch, nothing, absolute Zero. They are ALL liars and they are ALL criminals without exception as ANYthing they say can ALWAYS be later proven later to be misinformation, theater or outright lies. The govt cares zero about us.
Rule number two: Never believe anything told to you by mainstream media without investigating it yourself because true journalism is dead and our modern media is simply the PR arm of the government. They simply dont tell the truth.
Anyone who is an upstanding decent Australian, who loves this country and what it stands for must make a stand for the preservation of democracy and the australian way of life by adamantly refusing the ID Card.
Our diggers died to prevent us been subject to laws like this. Dont roll over and allow their deaths to have been in vain. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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"Yes. I have nothing to hide. My past is clean."
What if you lose your card and it falls in to the hands of someone with a motive to use that information ??
It wouldnt be a matter of IF they get in to the card but WHEN they get in.
In IT we say, what man can make, man can break. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
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"Yes. I have nothing to hide. My past is clean."
And considering it has nothing to do with your past but what it can achieve for someone else in the future. Thats what its about. Your past is inconsequential for this kind of ID system. |
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By: jasonstephens76
3/02/2008
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| Wat sort of imfo would be that potent. And wat would you do with it. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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Think about the information.
Simple use of replication of the information stored on the card. All it takes is get a copy of the digitally stored information.
To think that it would not be possible for someone to access the information is to be blind. Identity theft happens all the time and any national card idea puts all the information in just ONE spot.
Thats all a hacker would need to assume ones identity.
It just makes it easier for them |
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By: jasonstephens76
3/02/2008
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| I think you have a problem. Counterfitters, Internet banking fraud, they are all there. I can not think of a single item that would do me any harm wat so ever. I couldn,t care less who seen my fingerprints, or wat sort of eye iris i had, I fail to see wat they would do with the info. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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"I think you have a problem"
No i highly doubt that.
What i can see and so can many others is what you seem to refuse to see.
If you think that information (critical biometric info) is or will be secure in this kind of system, then you and alot of other are down right out of your mind.
Years ago a test was performed to see if a group of hackers and so forth could find and get hold of information about this one guy who had nil internet presence.
They found enough information over 3 months to take his identity and get information about him.
WHY would you trust this kind of un-necessary information to be stored by a government department in one single place??
Going on about this Centrelink breaches in security about information, what makes you think this would not happen in this instance ?? |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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Read these
Some articles about the security of biometric information and for that matter, any information.
Hackers crack new biometric passports
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/07/h acking.security
Video on how to crack biometric passports
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/reuters/1427-hacki ng-biometric-passports-video.htm
High-tech passports fail to pass hacker's security test
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hightech-passport s-fail-to-pass-hackers-security-test/2006/08/07/11 54802823195.html
Hacking smart cards and biometric security systems
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/expert/Knowle dgebaseAnswer/0,289625,sid14_gci1127698_tax301705, 00.html
ATMs hacked using MP3 player
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6135905-7.html
(resulted in the theft of thousands from people accounts) |
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By: bulldoost
3/02/2008
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there is reverse to the stupidity of "nothing to hide" - what about "no need to know"???
if government do not need to know - why it demand this info?!? it is my private info...
any brainded which think that government is for "betterment of the people" should have his/her head examined... by good shrink and then smashed! |
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By: lilacz_09
3/02/2008
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any brainded which think that government is for "betterment of the people" should have his/her head examined... by good shrink and then smashed!>>>
Interesting, intelligent, well thought out post. NOT.
Imagine what life would be like if there were NO government.
Absolute and total chaos, everywhere, all the time. |
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By: maxwontdie
3/02/2008
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We would be much better with a council of elders than a government. All the government does is feed lies and false information to the people, carer to the whim of criminal corporations, mismanage the country, trash the environment and repress and remove the rights of the people a little more every year and they make sure a compromised criminal is placed in office and that no one honest ever, ever gets into a position of real power or authority anywhere.
Government is there to control and repress you. Not to help you or make sure you are well. It is there to ensure you are kept in a state of self generating debt and that your thoughts and beliefs are controlled.
Where does the word government even come from? Two latin words, Guber=Control and Mente=Mind. Guber Mente=Control Mind.
The government does not give one single solitary damn about you or any member of your family. You are nothing more to them than an expendable tool they can use for their own self gain or the profite of their criminal banker friends. And if you try to stand up to them well they have a police force of automatons who have fogotten what the role of the police is actually supposed to be who will come and beat the hell out of you or arrest you and probably torture you with tazers. The role of the police was once to protect the public, but now it is purely to enforce law, any law, no matter how inhuman, repressive or unjust. The police have forgotton their role is to protect and serve and it is certainly not to blindly follow every corrupt law handed down to them the by the government without first examining its validity. Blind obedience to laws enacted by corrupt politicians without question by the authorities gave us wonderful moments in history like the rise of the third reich.
Anyone who loves australia, the australian way of life, or wishes a safe and secure future for our children, would honor the memory of our diggers and the principles they died for, must refuse the ID Card |
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By: harvey.wilson69
3/02/2008
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< Hackers crack new biometric passports
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/07/h acking.security
Video on how to crack biometric passports
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/reuters/1427-hacki ng-biometric-passports-vi deo.htm
High-tech passports fail to pass hacker's security test
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hightech-passport s-fail-to-pass-hackers-se curity-test/2006/08/07/11 54802823195.html >
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After reading these links I can see a security problem with a national ID card, perhaps it will better to use the micro chip technology.
Or to make it more difficult to remove one chip criminally use random micro dots.
The government using "security reasons" will get their national ID passed because of the apathy of the general population.
Who would have thought even with NSW being in the state it is in, the Carr/Iemma Gov would get voted back into power.
Make a few vague promises and with slogans like
"we're going in the right direction, but there's more to do" they sucker there way back in. |
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By: lilacz_09
3/02/2008
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| max, go and take your medication. I was annoyed at you the other day, now I just feel terribly sorry for you. Such a sad life you must lead. |
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By: maxwontdie
3/02/2008
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Ive had a winderful life lilacz, Ive travelled all over the world and been paid to do it.
And whatever you think of me the fact remains that an ID will do nothing whatsoever to prevent identity theft or improve security, it will actually have exactly the opposite effect. It is exactly the type of legislation that our soldiers fought to protect us from in ww2. And the potential for the abuse of such a card cannot be understated.
"Any government that wants to issue a unique identification number to most of the population and then to compile and link information about them using increasingly powerful technology bears a heavy onus to justify its case. ... 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear', directed at each member of the public, should be turned around and directed at government as: 'No legitimate reason to know, no legitimate reason to ask'."
- Paul Chadwick, Victorian Privacy Commissioner, The Value of Privacy, 23 May 2006
Anyone wohe wishes to preserve democracy and the australian way of life must refuse the ID Card |
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By: harvey.wilson69
3/02/2008
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< Anyone who loves australia, the australian way of life, or wishes a safe and secure future for our children, would honor the memory of our diggers and the principles they died for, must refuse the ID Card >
Fine sentiments (seriously) but if they want to bring it in they will, because of apathy.
Bad governments thrive on apathy.
The Lane Cove Tunnel is an example, nobody except the RTA/GOV wants Epping rd narrowed to one lane.
People write to the papers, ring talk back radio, and the NRMA whinges a bit and it WILL be one lane.
What would happen if all the drivers said to hell with it and drove through the tunnel even without a E beeper.
Thousands and thousands would get tickets and then if they all elected to go to court, it would cause chaos in the court system.
Civil disobedience sure, but if enough people stood up things would change. |
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By: wizbeysmugfarter
3/02/2008
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"Imagine what life would be like if there were NO government."
Its not about NO government, its about proper representation and governance. Australians as a whole do not get represented correctly, we have seen this so many times in the past even today. Government tends to do what it thinks is right for themselves rather than to do what is right for the people.
Too much hinders those decisions from religious beliefs to financial reasons and then some. |
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By: lilacz_09
3/02/2008
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Ive had a winderful life lilacz, Ive travelled all over the world and been paid to do it. >>
The fact that you're such a paranoid old git is why I believe you lead such a sad life. |
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By: maxwontdie
3/02/2008
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| lol... how little u know lilacz, how little u know. :) |
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By: lilacz_09
3/02/2008
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| You had another ID didn't you max??? With max in it??? You were always banging on about conspiracy theories re 911??? |
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By: maxwontdie
3/02/2008
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no, I dont go on about conspiracy theories, its southern, toohard and laxon who do that - especially the unproven, unsubstantiated and implausible conspiracy theory about 911 involving 19 arabs that the government keeps trying to promote as fact without evidence.
I do however respect evidence and the laws of science and recognize when an actual conspiracy that is not a theory does exist, and so out of respect for the victims and for what is right and honest and the decent thing to do, I stand with the 100's of scientists, physicists, univeristy professors, academics, demolition experts, politicians, fireman, first responders, victims family members, and other people who all call for a proper investigation into ALL the evidence surrounding the attacks and who question the Bush regimes motives for removing and destroying evidence, and for limiting the scope and covering up the investigation that did occur into the event. |
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By: lilacz_09
3/02/2008
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| Yes, just as I thought. You certainly are a paranoid old git, who if you're not on medication for mental illness, should be, and if you are, you really need to take your meds when you're s'posed to. |
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By: lilacz_09
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| And, btw, sorry to say it max, but you will (die). We all will. Revelation??? |
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