By: harvey.wilson69
31/01/2008
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| Ask for a bit of proof and now Popular Mechanics becomes involved |
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By: maxwontdie
31/01/2008
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here is Aaron Russo discussing the conversation prior to his death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA |
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By: southerncrossforever
31/01/2008
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max...
1) there are NO aliens secretly ruling this planet
2) the United Nations is NOT part of one world government
3) the House of Windsor are NOT reptiles
4) the ID card is NOT created by satan
5) al qaeda is NOT backed by US oil companies
6) 9/11 WAS planned and executed by terrorists |
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By: maxwontdie
31/01/2008
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southern if you can show me one single post of mine where i have said any about aliens or reptiles or satan over the last 3 years i will stop posting here, and give you my next weeks pay.
If you cant then you can simply stand as having demonstrated yourself to be clutching at straws, evading the issues and attempting to steer the facts concerning ID Cards and 911 into the same basket as the X Files.
Pretty thin attempt at trying to avoid the facts there my friend. |
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By: southerncrossforever
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>>>show me one single post of mine where i have said any about aliens or reptiles or satan over the last 3 years i will stop posting here, and give you my next weeks pay<<<
no you havent...but i was merely pointing out they are all conspiracies that distort the truth and create mischief...you see the world is not really full of frightening inexplicable events that we cant explain and often the truth is stranger than fiction... |
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By: aratta_5000
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| Do these people actually believe the garbage they come out with ? |
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By: mike.b001
31/01/2008
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| We already have a national id card. The only thing it lacks is a id photo. Commonly called a medicare card. |
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By: gaarf123
31/01/2008
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Those who are for a microchipped i.d card or similar- wouldve made Stalin n Hitler very proud! congratulations to those!
good n INTERESTING READ N debate... read below
http://www.scribd.com/doc/187371/-Ive-Got-Nothing- To-Hide-and-other-Misunderstandings-of-Privacy |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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but i was merely pointing out they are all conspiracies that distort the truth and create mischief...
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Then you should throw the official conspiracy theory of 911 into that basket as well because its ridiculous and implausable to the extreme.
Forget the conspiracy theories and face the conspiracy facts.. 911 was an inside job and the war on terror is fake. |
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By: harvey.wilson69
1/02/2008
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here is Aaron Russo discussing the conversation prior to his death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
Well Max I've just watched 7.44m of that interview and as this conversation was so detailed, and potentially explosive, why didn't the interviewer tell a newspaper or even write a letter to the editor about what Rockefeller had said ?
(1) there's going to be an "event"
(2)Afghanistan will be invaded.
(3)Then Iraq Will be invaded.
(4) then Iran
(5) then Chivas's country and then everyone will be micro chipped by the Bankers.
If Newspapers wouldn't report it, maybe because of libel fears, why wasn't it on the net then?
Not years later to help spruik amovies?
And you call that video clip proof.
What a lot of nonsense. |
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By: rogerszac
1/02/2008
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I'm suprised how quickly all the Government Computers are linked together.
The tax office passes on info to Centrelink so they know when you are trying to diddle them! I also like how when you do your Tax online and you click a button all that info automatically comes up for you!
Centrelink passes on your info to everyone. For example, I returned back to work so I cancelled my Austudy Allowance on which I also had a health care card. I went to the pharmacy the next day and the doctor typed in my Health Care Card number it was already cancelled in the PBS system!
So in reality we don't need a National ID card. It already exists by stealth. That's why you don't hear the Goverment saying we need one! |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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If Newspapers wouldn't report it, maybe because of libel fears, why wasn't it on the net then?
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He has said it in various interviews you will probably be able to find, not just that one and its been on the net for quite a while.
And as for the media. Do a little bit of research on media ownership and you will find that 98% of US media is owned by the rothschilds, the rockefellers, and murdock and then ask yourself again why it was never reported by the media.
In fact, just look at the internet compared to the mainstream media.
Just type "911" into google, or "911 Official Story". You will find about 3 sites that support the official story and 350,000 sites that call for a new investigation to find out the truth.
So, let us at least agree that whatever side of the 911 fence your on, its quite obvious that the debate over the issue still rages.
Then look at the mainstream media.
You will not find even one tiny mention that there is even a debate about what happened on 911, yet there are scientists, physicists, politicians, demolition experts, university professors, and the list goes on and on and on, all over the world, ALL calling for the facts to be debated.
But still not one single tiny mention that there is even anyone who questions the official story is ever mentioned by the mainstream media.
Why is that?
And can you seriously view that as journalism and reporting of the facts?
People who dont have the net dont know ANY of the debatable issues surrounding 911 becasue the media will not report them. The media long since reporting all the news or even real news, It became the propaganda arm of the government long ago.
Telling yourself, "if it was true it would be reported by the media or on TV" is an excersise in stupidity and voluntary ignorance of the facts"
The only way to find out the facts on any issue these days is to investigate things for yourself at a grass roots level. |
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By: w.laxon
1/02/2008
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Do these people actually believe the garbage they come out with ?
Yes Atta sadly they do. It's the same principle where kids believe in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. The only difference is the kids tend to grow up where as with this lot that will never happen |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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and look at 911... are you seriously expecting people to believe that a bunch of arab misfits were able to pull off the most sophisticated attack in history. They were so p'ed off at "freedom" and wer so detirmed that they could do that and what have they done since? nothing... u seriously believe they wouldnt have kept going? and who has benefited? Only the Bush administration and companies tied to it. They have gained control of Iraq, the caspian, afghanistan, opium production has sky rocketed, we are having more and more right remoived every day.
Cui Bono, Who Benefits?
The Arabs?.... pppffft
And now they have convinced the world to wage a war against a noun. A war that by its very nature, can never end because there is no real enemy. We are fighting a war against an emotional state called terror. How do you ever declare a winner in such a battle?
The fact that 911 was an inside job is so transparent that 10 year old could see through and I will never cease to be amazed at those who are unable to connect the dots and agree that 1+1=2 yet are so willing to embrace the official conspiracy theory wihout a shred of evidence
And when the very last muslim has been murdered, will no one ever be terrified again? Terror will never go away, only our rights will. And you want to let these people implant you and track your every move?
well then sadly, your a fool.
Heres a riddle for you southern in the form of a comfy little hypothetical:
Mary needs some nappies and shopping. She cant just hand lisa the money to get them for her while shes out because its all on the chip in her arm, no cash, so she transfers $50 into lisas account. While lisa is out her phone gets stolen and is later used in a bombing. Records show mary provided finacial support for terrorism and shes arrested by default.
With no right to a lawyer, trial, to know what shes been charged with or who charged her under the anti terror laws. What does Mary do to defend herself? |
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By: aaronzig
1/02/2008
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Alright. So getting back to an ID card again. I have a passport, a drivers license and a medicare card, as well as a whole heap of student cards, library cards, video shop cards, an ATM card, a credit card and a loyalty card for the coffee shop near my office (non-Starbucks). I also have a birth certificate at home.
If the government has problems telling who I am with all THIS, then this country is in big trouble, and illegal immigrants and terrorism has nothing to do with it. |
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By: harvey.wilson69
1/02/2008
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"The following is a transcript of a conversation that occurred between recently deceased film maker and ex-politician, Aaron Russo & Nicolas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller Banking Family, in October 2000, 11 months before the "terrorist attacks" of Sept 11 2001."
Was this transcript published in a newspaper or book before 911 or did someone say this conversation happened in Oct 2000.
Or was it on the internet so that must mean it's true?
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Max Max Max all I asked for was proof that this conversation was BEFORE 911 and now you say that he's said it in various interviews.
"He has said it in various interviews you will probably be able to find, not just that one and its been on the net for quite a while."
Were any of these "various interviews"documented before 911 or just came out to spruik his movies?
As you seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject can you point out a pre 911 site where he's on? |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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and in that last scenario, naturally they turn off her chip as well so she is unable to access any money, buy food, pay rent or access any of her own personal stuff.
You see thats what it will be like. They will put ALL the info on an ID card and say its safer that way, but of course, having it all on one card simply is them placing all your eggs in one basket for you, whether you want it or not, and will only in fact make identity theft a whole lot easier because, cards can be stolen.
Then of course they will say well, this just isnt working so microchipps will have to be implemented... for our protection of course. And then everything will be on the chips. Then any payments you have that maybe you needed to defer for one week so u can feed the kids? well forget that cos they will just take what they want, when they want.
Ask joe to buy you a carton for the footy? just want til i transfer some credits from my chip to yours joe, of course the govt needs a record of you getting these beers for me in case your a terrorist.
And if you complain, well they can just turn off your chip and erase all record of you. Too easy.
Thing there is no potention for the abuse of this legislation? Then you have rocks in your head.
You see thats what they have planned for us if you would open your eyes to face reality. Total control and monitoring of every thing you do, everywhere you go, everything you buy, everything you say, and every person you ever interact with.
For you protection... of course.
That is why any person who values freedom, democracy, tolerance, unity of the human spirit and an end to the expoitation of the human race must adamantly refuse to accept the ID card.
If for no one else, then try to be a little patriotic for once in your lives and do it for the diggers who died to protect us from exactly this type of government in ww2. |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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Max Max Max all I asked for was proof that this conversation was BEFORE 911 and now you say that he's said it in various interviews.
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now why on earth would he ever have mentioned it before 911?
He would have still been wondering what "event" rockefeller was alluding to. Your asking for the impossible and trying to take the topic down another rabbit hole as people often do when trying to disregard the myriad of other evidence that exists.
Face it, whether its circumstancial or not, all the evidence that does exist reeks of government involvement and in 6 years its been impossible to weigh it up against the evidence proving the official theory because so far none has been forthcoming, and in all my years of looking, nothing to support the official theory that is supported by science can be found. |
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By: harvey.wilson69
1/02/2008
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Sorry I should have mentioned pre "the event" but what about other predictions wouldn't they be newsworthy?
(1) there's going to be an "event"
(2)Afghanistan will be invaded.
(3)Then Iraq Will be invaded.
(4) then Iran
(5) then Chivas's country and then everyone will be micro chipped by the Bankers.
I do admire your zeal Max, but it would have helped if Aaron Russo was holding up the newspaper of the day when he told his tale. |
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By: w.laxon
1/02/2008
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but it would have helped if Aaron Russo was holding up the newspaper of the day when he told his tale.
I understand what you mean but that is never going to happen. The whole aim of these moronic stories is to place doubt in peoples mind. Not one have they come up with any “real” hard facts to back up their stupid claims. They are normally half truths and lies with just enough details to make the gullible believe them. This is exactly the same tactics used by the Creationists and other nutjobs.
These stories are designed for the gullible and less intelligent who have a child like need to believe in something. |
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By: maxwontdie
1/02/2008
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(2)Afghanistan will be invaded.
(3)Then Iraq Will be invaded.
(4) then Iran
(5) then Chivas's country and then everyone will be micro chipped by the Bankers.
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Newsworthy events?
Hell even I was predicting all of the above 10 years ago, nobody listened then and they are half way through the list and still nobodys listening so what difference would it have made? |
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By: maxwontdie
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and another typical move by laxon to try and emperors new clothes approach at insulting the messenger and turning the discussion into a match of insults while disregarding all the facts because he cant refute them.
Predictable.
Face it all the evidence , ALL of it points at the bush administration and in almost 3 years of me coming to these forums not one person has been able to explain away any of it or present one genuine piece of undebunkable data to back up the official conspiracy theory you so desperately cling to. well guess what people, you are in the minority now and I suggest you remove the blinkers soon.
And laxon, you no one to talk about the intelligence of others or chaildish behaviour, you wouldnt know intelligence if it jumped up and bit you.
You cant fight a war against a noun.
The war on terror is a scam, it is a lie, it is a fraud, it is totally and utterly fake. |
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By: w.laxon
1/02/2008
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and emperors new clothes approach at insulting the messenger
As you would say all I did was state facts. The only difference is my facts are true. I don't need to "insult the messenger", you guys do that for yourselves. |
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By: w.laxon
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while disregarding all the facts
What facts ? Not one of you have been able to provide any facts whatsoever. All the conspiracy nuts do is make up moronic stories and hope that others don't have the brains to see though them. |
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By: w.laxon
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Hell even I was predicting all of the above 10 years ago
Great so know you can see into the future ? Let me make a prediction of my own.
I predict that now matter what facts are placed in front of the conspiracy nuts they will always find a way to misrepresent them. |
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