By: bzet1
3/11/2007
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long time no see bro! will finally put this letter on sunday for you...
people do not understand that government do not seek power to protect them but to protect itself!
id card is one of the methods...
mobile phone is ideal tool for physical location - simple triangulation from 2 towers will give exact location of the holder within few centimetres... and phone do not need to be switched on! believe or not... |
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By: mzdownunder
3/11/2007
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| Social Security cards work really well here in the US to keep out how many million illegals!!! |
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By: pol_pak
3/11/2007
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Know exactly how ganterclan01 feels !
Non driving relation let her licence expire, went in eventually to get another one so had photo ID for air travel...
The licence had a typo error when she originally obtained it in another state... so she is not the same person... need proof of ID...
Eventualy obtain her birth certificate, find around thirty years she has been under another name... she needs place adds in papers for a name change, in order to ensure everyone knows the name on the birth certificate wants to change her name to the name she has been known by for 30 years... and to prove who she is....
needless to say she walked away without the licence/photo ID... |
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By: bzet1
3/11/2007
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mzdownunder - """Social Security cards work really well here in the US to keep out how many million illegals!!!"""
and whom shall i believe? you? or official estimation of number of illegals in usa? social security card works so well that ther is estimation that between 15,000,000 and 25,000,000 are working and living (some even second generation) in usa!
do not bull yourself! without illegals usa will not have fruit pickers, meat boners, carpet cleaners and thousands of other low on the scale placed jobs which even negroes and newcomers do not want to do! well, not by the price offered by your "gracious" employeers... look how many of them work for wallmart alone! if i recall, during some action last year, over 30,000 illegals were caught working for wallmart... wallmart argued (and win!) in court that it should not be penalised as there is no local force willing to work for it...
in australia we have (visa cross reference estimation) between 35,000 and 50,000 illegals at any time, this is not a problem at all! nor is social security cheat in any statistical manner.
there is no reason for introduction of this card except to establish greater authority over sheeple... |
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By: ispeak4me
3/11/2007
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If it meant protecting my identity I would have a microchip inserted under the back of my hand so that it would be easy to scan as I entered a building or my car .
No more lost keys and all that . |
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By: crazymadmonster
3/11/2007
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Bzet,
as you say the US are dependant on illegal migrants for agri and industrial production.
They work in Canada , northern states near border, Washingtom, Minnesota, Montana etc to lakes region.
How do millions trek across america in a the "most secure county on earth" without being noticed?
Many farmers are bible bashers who are happy and in some cases to exploit this.
Is it gona happen here?
Crazy? |
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By: onethousandfold
8/11/2007
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| Talk about obsession - what in the heck do 'bible bashers' have to do with the ID card - Get grip!!!!!!!!! |
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By: theresa_highopes_one
10/11/2007
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With one ID card and I can go into one bank or building society and they can swipe my card and I will not have to carry around three or four or more different kinds of ID to identify myself :) Ha big brother has been with us for a long time, and as others have said “If you have nothing to hide”. Why not?
As for them putting video/audio surveillance that will in all probability happen when I am dead. I do not think we have reach that stage yet, even if it has I believe that it is higher up the food chain :)
jadak1522 “Good idea an ID card would be very useful, especially in identifying crooks and people trying to get something dishonestly”. “If you have nothing to hide”.
I absolutely believe that the governments of the day all around the world has a data base of some kind on all of their citizens…
Take care, not to do anything wrong… |
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By: binjin.purge
10/11/2007
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| one ID card would make identity theft a bit of a cake walk, wouldn't it? |
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By: reidsays
10/11/2007
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"I WOULD HAVE A MICROCHIP INSERTED UNDER THE BACK OF MY HAND"
sorry ispeak4me but a hand can be chopped off....best to have the id on your head then eh?????
oh...or is it??? hhmmmm |
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By: binjin.purge
10/11/2007
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| heh heh heh |
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By: mzdownunder
10/11/2007
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Bzet1, my post should have read 11 on a 10 scale sarcasm meter.
My point is that cards DON’T work!!!!! |
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By: bzet1
10/11/2007
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mzdownunder - i do profoundly apologise then! missread, or you put your quote in too serious basket...
beside, in oz we do not have really problem with illegals, there is estimation tat most probably we have about 50,000 of overstays and that is all. number too insignificant to even bother.
most european countries have anything between 5% and 10% illegals... and they do not organise televised hunts for them as in oz with big tv shows how bad these illegals are...
i think in this paranoja we abandoned somewhere common sence... |
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By: toy55060
11/11/2007
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This is just a response to everyone on this subject, not directed towards the original poster of this thread.
Besides the government, there are thousands of other "personal data collecting companies" out there. Everyone fears the personal data/smart card because they feel their personal data is private. When, in reality, it hasn't been private since the invention of the computer.
Criminals, illegal immigrants, drug dealers, etc, etc would be brought to a screeching halt. You wouldn't be able to do anything without an ID card, not even be able to buy groceries. And, any possible illegal activity can be investigated. Could the pilots of 911 aircraft been stopped had there been an ID system in place? Maybe, maybe not, but there would have been a much greater chance at seeing their activities which led to 911. The prevention could have stood a much greater chance at being stopped before it happened.
Now there's many of you out there who feel your information should be kept private, including all your financial transactions. But, if it's so important to you, then what are you trying to hide? The honest, hard working citizen, who has nothing to hide should have no problems with such a tracking system.
What would you rather have? Criminals roaming the country? Or, a little more controll, available jobs, lower taxes, less dead beat dads, etc, etc... and the list goes on. The bennefits out-weigh everything else.... by far!!
What are YOU trying to hide today? |
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By: bzet1
11/11/2007
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toy55060 - "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - i think frnaklin said that...
and this is oldest trick in the book: "you do not have anything to hide" - if i do not - why do you want it for???
and who is government?!? they are just overseers which (theoretically) we elect to not to supervise us and use us, but to make our life easy! what enormous corruption of power will be available with these cards!
romans ask: "que custode custodires"... who will be watching after the watchers...
i do not trust in best case "honorable" and "noble" governements - let alone what is now... |
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By: bzet1
15/11/2007
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| did in they wisdom politicians already decided ot not on this card? |
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By: mzdownunder
15/11/2007
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Bzet1 No worries mate! It's hard to tell in typed word with no rolling eyes smiley face ;)
I come and go between Australia & the US at least once a year, and Australia far ahead of the US in immigration and customs. There's probably 50,000 illegals in the state I live in - Maryland will issue drivers license to illegals (insert rolley eyes here).
Here's something I found interesting, while it's a couple of years old, it's still probably not to far wrong.
Poms, Yanks worst illegal immigrants
Afghan and Iranian boat people create headlines but it's the Poms and Yanks who make up the majority of Australia's illegal immigrants.
There were more than 10,000 illegal British and American immigrants in Australia on June 30, 2004, making up about a fifth of all people who overstayed their visas and remained in the country unlawfully.
Another 3,900 Chinese illegal immigrants remained in Australia last year, along with 3,000 Indonesians and 2,800 South Koreans.
Afghans don't rate a mention while there were less than 200 illegal Iranians in Australia in June.
The new figures on illegal immigration were revealed in a report on immigration trends released by Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone.
The report said that while visitors from the United Kingdom and the United States accounted for the highest number of visa overstayers, they were rated as low risk because the number was small as a percentage of the total number of Britons and Americans entering the country.
Around 15,000 illegal immigrants had been in the country for more than 10 years but many of the 51,000 unlawful visitors only stayed for a few days after their visa expired.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/041217/2/p/s846.html |
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By: bzet1
15/11/2007
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mzdownunder - try to xplain that to brain dead panic merchants...
there is nearly 3 million illegals in germany (area of 360,000 sq km - twice victoria, population nearly 80million), 6 million in france, 2million in poland - none of these countries panic about illegals and do not produce insane amount of negative adverts as oz do...
problem is that it looks good for average red-neck ... "they" steal our jobs! average red-neck have job??? |
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By: helpstopthenwo
15/11/2007
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National ID Cards will have the same impact on reducing illegal immigration and identity theft as licence plates do in preventing car accidents. The only purpose they will serve is to monitor the population. They will also place ALL information on one card which will increase the ease of which identity theft is carried out which will then be used as an excuse to carry out the true plan which is glbal microchip implantation.
Any person who values freedom and democracy must refuse the introduction of a national ID card and refuse to accept one even if only out of simple respect for our servicemen and woman who fought world war two to prevent exactly this type of thing occurring. People were required to carry "papers" everywhere they went in nazi germany too. Oh how quickly the world forgets.
"Any government that wants to issue a unique identification number to most of the population and then to compile and link information about them using increasingly powerful technology bears a heavy onus to justify its case. 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear', directed at each member of the public, should be turned around and directed at government as: "No legitimate reason to know, no legitimate reason to ask'." - Paul Chadwick, Victorian Privacy Commissioner, The Value of Privacy, 23 May 2006 |
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By: neocon37
9/01/2008
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| Bring it on!!! |
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By: athair_siochain
9/01/2008
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By: neocon37
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Re:National ID card (PREVIEW)
Bring it on!!!
yes bring it on a Aussie ID CARD,
A blue card for those of us with one passport.
A yellow one for those with two passports,
and while we are at it, only those with blue cards be allowed to vote, |
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By: palm0sunday
9/01/2008
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This proposal was put up in the 1980's by comrade Hawke
and rejected then.......14,000 illegals? Where did that
figure arrive from-assumed it was much more.
Another point about all this to,a lot of employers still
DO NOT DO proper,basic checks on employees-know of a case
in very recent times where a lady used somebody else's
TFN and got away with it for years,then suddenly she was
caught.Want to know what happened to her employer? SWEET
NOTHING !
In the Phillipines it is a well known fact,that $10,000
could buy you a passport & entry into oz,via the Dept of
Foreign Affairs in Manilla.(Consulate.)
Some years ago,I went to authorities about this and even
NAMED OFFICIALS-again,nothing happened....... |
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10/01/2008
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By: bulldoost
11/01/2008
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i do wonder why my nick - sqoorviatek, was banned on message boards! do moderators do not like what i post? and these were actually repeated words from mr chadwick, then victorian privacy comissioner, in his public address on the value of privacy, on 23rd may 2006:
"Any government that wants to issue a unique identification number to most of the population and then to compile and link information about them using increasingly powerful technology bears a heavy onus to justify its case. 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear', directed at each member of the public, should be turned around and directed at government as: "No legitimate reason to know, no legitimate reason to ask'."
is this statement so disturbing that yahoo decided to delete my nick? and ban me from these boards? |
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