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By: southerncross4ever
28/10/2007
8:16 am

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According to the federal government, there are 14,000 illegal immigrants roaming the country.

We urgently need to introduce a national ID card system with severe penalties for anybody employing or transacting with a person who does not produce an ID card...

By: eastendgurl2000
28/10/2007
8:35 am

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I think it was Hawke tried to do this many years ago....it was rejected by the people then and it would be more so now....a National ID card would be a smart card and would have toooooooo much information including personal stored on it therefore it could be abused even more today than in Hawke's time.
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By: bunnostar
28/10/2007
8:42 am

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Youre medicare card gives the government enough info about you anyhow. The government know WHE you go to the DRs WHAT medication YOU are taking. WHAT blood tests you have and more. Conspiracy?? No.. just damn sneaky record keeping.

By: seanstephsmum
28/10/2007
9:43 am

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Seriously I have this argument with my hubby, if you have NOTHING to hide, why not an ID card for the government records? They could ask me how many times I pick my nose a week doesn't really worry me..... If an ID card helps keep a track on illegal goings on, well why not???

By: bunnostar
28/10/2007
9:53 am

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I dont have anything to hide. My point is that the government already know enough about the average Oz citizen as it stands. Id card or no ID card. I dont care either way.

By: seanstephsmum
28/10/2007
10:50 am

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My hubby gets all up in arm at the mention of it.... He can't see it as the average aussie with nothing to hide. he sees as "BIG BROTHER is watching".... If it helps to keep everyone on track so be it

By: sshroomz
28/10/2007
10:54 am

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"Seriously I have this argument with my hubby, if you have NOTHING to hide, why not an ID card for the government records?"

Why stop at that, it should be mandatory to have installed in every citizen's house video and audio surveillance to observe all activities that go on.

Just remember that if you have NOTHING to hide, why not?

By: tonynik80
28/10/2007
10:55 am

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Its not a card, its a micropchip.

Like a dog or cat.

I bet your laughing? lol..

By: shir2lou
28/10/2007
10:58 am

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It won't be before time

By: julieandsteve017
28/10/2007
10:59 am

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by ??? -- "According to the federal government, there are 14,000 illegal immigrants roaming the country.

We urgently need to introduce a national ID card system with severe penalties for anybody employing or transacting with a person who does not produce an ID card..."

You really DO want a police state don't you j e r k
You probably think "well this law or that law doesn't affect me so i'm for it. Can't you see the thin edge of the wedge is now a lot thicker? Take RBTs for eg, they start off pulling you up for rbt but now also check your licence, then add your rego sticker, then a quick once over on your car, but naturally you would say "well I've got nothing to hide" well I can't wait for the day when You get collared for some new rule. I bet you'll squeal like a p i g

By: shir2lou
28/10/2007
11:05 am

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Major example……………..

Anyone with, or for that matter without, a Medicare card, can go form doctor to doctor, collecting prescriptions…….


THEN…………..


Go from pharmacy to pharmacy, filling the prescriptions.

Then they can be sold on the black market, or more often sent or taken out of the country, where they can be sold for a huge amount of money.

We need some kind of a data base, with everyone who is entitled to call this country home, on it.

Visit a doctor and it goes on the computer. Then if a person, goes to another doctor, that doctor can then say “No” if it is for a request for the same or similar drug.

At this point in time our medical system is abused beyond belief, with no checking it.

By: earlau
28/10/2007
11:18 am

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sooner the better i/ d cards for all who live in this country

By: onethousandfold
28/10/2007
12:25 pm

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It may start with a card but it will end up a microchip. Anyone who votes for a national ID card is crazy! its just another way to control and take away more of our freedom. First its law to microchip the dog. Eventually they will be microchipping babies as they leave the womb. -

By: peter69erau
28/10/2007
5:10 pm

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Onethousandfold I agree with you completely. Slowly but surely our freedoms are being eroded away. But others say if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. What a pile of garbage. A national id card is just one more means of policing society. Just think we already have keycards that if needed I am sure they could request through the courts to track our movements for one thing. Cameras hovering around watching you root someone elses wife. When it going to stop. But we are told its to catch criminals. A national id card will mean nothing to a career criminal.

By: onethousandfold
28/10/2007
9:44 pm

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Thanks peter69 - have a great week!!!

By: tonynik80
28/10/2007
9:53 pm

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You already have License, Passport, Medicare Card, Bank (and Credit Cards), Bills, Photo ID's, and now we want another ID?

They may be using them Already?

By: wizbeysmugfarter
28/10/2007
10:31 pm

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"We urgently need to introduce a national ID card system with severe penalties for anybody employing or transacting with a person who does not produce an ID card..."

What a dumb idea! Why dont you just microchip everyone. Remove what little freedom we have left completely

By: boo_da_goose
28/10/2007
10:39 pm

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If Howard wins I'm going to stop shaving and cutting my hair
On the day I turn up for my photo I'm going to wear the thickest glasses I can find.

The day after my photo I will shave my beard, cut my hair and throw away my glasses.
That will stop them.

Just because you have nothing to hide now does not mean you will have nothing to hide in 50 years time. Fight the card now or you will have to fight the microchips later.

By: wizbeysmugfarter
28/10/2007
10:43 pm

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". Fight the card now or you will have to fight the microchips later." BINGO!!


"On the day I turn up for my photo I'm going to wear the thickest glasses I can find."


That wont do sweet FA. Biometric photographs of faces store dimensions of the face such as the distance between the eyes across the nose, chin gurth, cheek bone structure etc..

Its the next best thing to a FINGER PRINT. IF the government cant get your prints unless your arrest then why should they have this information too.

Its the turning of a democratic society into what the NAZI's would have had if they had the technology.

By: wizbeysmugfarter
28/10/2007
10:47 pm

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Face recognition software can use this data to tell who you are from a camera shot from about 500 metres away.

This sort of technology is military grade and is slowly making its way into general society. Look at London.

This is free country and we are entitled to go where ever we want WHEN we want without any body or authority knowing who you are.


Remember this famous quote:

Those who sacrifice security for a little temporary saftey and liberty (freedom) DESERVES NEITHER.

By: wizbeysmugfarter
28/10/2007
10:49 pm

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Stuffed the qoute up LOL
It should be

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

By: bzet1
29/10/2007
12:13 am

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meine damen und herren, lieber herrschaften... ooops? not that lingo?!? not that "noble" nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei???

voices exactly as from they meetings...

where we will purchase proper banners? j e ws were already bashed, now "foreigners" are in line?

stupidity of presented here postulates is enormous!

i think franklin say that: "they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

By: onethousandfold
29/10/2007
2:44 pm

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good quote!!

By: tommytuffnuts81
29/10/2007
3:45 pm

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It won't be before time "shir2lou"


Sort of like having to wear the Star of David,and have a number tatooed on your arm maybe ????

By: jadak1522
30/10/2007
11:25 am

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Good idea. An ID card would be very useful, especially in identifying crooks and people trying to get something dishonestly. The authorities have large amounts of data available now, so why not have just one card? It would also be very useful for proof of your own identity.
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