By: askauntyhelen
9/06/2007
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Lack of indicating, indecisiveness at roundabouts, these thing are more annoying than dangerous.
To my mind besides a drunk driver, there's not much that's more dangerous than a V8 car in the hands of an 18 year old who thinks he is bulletproof with his mates egging him on from the backseat, Bundy's in hand yahooing around suburban streets at excessive speeds.
They ALL think they're great drivers, but they are not. Ask the hospitals and ambos and grieving parents.
Speeding is targeted because basically, the faster you are going, the harder you will hit something and the sooner you will die. Simple really. |
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By: mintie_boy
11/06/2007
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Still have to disagree with you askauntyhelen. Majority of accidents and fatalities are not speed related or speed is not the main reason (a conservative calculation is about 20%, realistically less than 10%) but the government will say the number is much higher, mainly because technically speed is recorded as a contributing factor in most accidents (even if that speed is not excessive or illegal).
Majority of accidents (about 75%) occur on intersections - this number is from the scientific report that Governments use to support their 'speed kills' strategy. Yet 75% are at intersections, how many cameras (other than permanent ones on traffic lights) have you seen at intersections?
Majority of fatalities and car accidents are caused by people not on P's. It is just that kids 18 - 25 make up the largest proportion of any age group (if I remember correctly it is under 30% of total fatalities). But that means 70% are young kids or older than 25 (and should know better).
askauntyhelen wrote -> Speeding is targeted because basically, the faster you are going, the harder you will hit something and the sooner you will die. Simple really.
So how fast should we go on a freeway? Is 100km or 110km per hour too fast? Speed limits have no scientific basis or engineering reasoning behind them.
To my mind besides a drunk driver, there's not much that's more dangerous than a V8 car in the hands of an 18 year old who thinks he is bulletproof with his mates egging him on from the backseat, Bundy's in hand yahooing around suburban streets at excessive speeds.
Again, over the last long weekend I remember watching the news one night and all four fatal accidents occurred at an intersection. Didn't hear about any fatalities from what you describe? Sure they happen, but is it because the media more concentrates on them or because statistically they are more likely?? Remember the documentary Bowling for Columbine, crime was down 200% yet media coverage of crime was up 400% |
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By: askauntyhelen
16/06/2007
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Mintie Boy, I know you like to go fast, I did too when I was a young lass, and you put forward such good arguments. I'm all for red light cameras (there are no traffic lights where I live he he he).
I'm not up with statistics, only what I see and accidents I attend.
Picture this - SIX youngsters out in Mum's brand new V8 Ford (that she doesn't know they have "borrowed" skylarking and hooning in wet weather. Get's nicked doing 220km on the open road, change of drivers, 40km down the road, they're doing handbrakeys at 100kmh in the middle of the highway making nice patterns and lose control.
Result: Four of the five ambulances available for 200km needed, four broken legs, one shattered femur, one fractured pelvis, one eye lost, four fingers (possibly) rooted (broken stubbie) one ruptured spleen, one punctured lung. Collectively 337 stitches, 29 weeks in hospital ... and all because THEY WERE PLAYING SILLY BUGAS AND GOING TOO FAST.
It's not about freeways and tollways, if there is such a thing as safe speeding well that's about the safest place, but the world is not all freeways. None where I live.
Even if they don't come to grief, the potential for disaster is huge. That has to be considered.
I've been to nine rollovers. Two were fatigue related and all occupants including the driver were asleep at the time and unhurt, the other seven were going too fast for their capabilities or the environment and lost control. Of that seven five had been drinking. No fatalities thankfully (due to seatbelts) but the consequences will be with them forever.
Yes other accidents happen, well incidents really, they're all preventable so not really accidents, well they are going to happen, but speeding is something we CAN do something about. It's unneccessary and something we all do by choice. I stand by the comment that the faster you are going the harder you will hit something.
It doesn't take long to die Mintie Boy, four minutes if you sever a major artery ... |
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By: key_devil48
27/06/2007
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| I Think the new rule is completely stupid because anybody can dob anybody in even if they havent done jack shit. |
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By: dntellmewot2do
27/06/2007
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some hoons do 220 km/h. Lower speed limit, increase fines
some hoons do 220 km/h. Lower speed limit, increase fines
hoons still speeding...
insanity |
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By: laurelle_72
28/06/2007
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| i think as well as publicising fatalities, they should also be publicising serious injuries that are suffered in accidents. people that have to live with the results of their stupidity. |
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By: roscocis
28/06/2007
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I believe that it is not necessarily HOONS that should be targeted. Most HOONS go off somewhere quiet with thier mates, generally have a good time & hurt no-one. The problem as I see it are the dawdlers. They drive around in a daze, brake suddenly, dont indicate, etc.
As for statistics, Most accidents resulting in death or serious injury are from sober drivers over 25. Why not target this more dangerous group and leave the innocent, fun loving HOON alone???? |
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By: downsouthwestoz
1/07/2007
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| Do Drink drivers have their cars confiscated? |
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By: mintie_boy
4/07/2007
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| No just their licence. And then they can appeal for an special licence to get to work. |
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By: mintie_boy
4/07/2007
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Askauntyhelen I guess it comes down to how do you police for speed ... obviously current measures (speed cameras in particular) are inappropriate (and radars are inaccurate)
In that scenairo you posted, I guess that shows you where laws don't work either ... the mums car would have been confiscated ... does that teach the boys a lesson?? Or do they just bother there other mates parents car?
I think it is hard ... I think the anti-hoon law will not solve anything. I think the government has washed their hands of driving education for too long (and not just of new drivers). They like the 'stick' approach because they expend the least amount of time and money and reap the monetary benefits without reducing the death rate (which interestingly had declined ever year nationally until the introduction of speed cameras - the death rate has hovered around the same mark and sometimes increased although roads are being improved, cars are safer smarter, there is more safety advertisement and greater driver education of youngsters - all signs that should mean a decrease in the death rate). |
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By: hallacba
19/09/2008
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hoon laws are bull$hit
another revenue raiser like speed cameras
won't stop people having accidents
it seems the media can make the government create knee-jerk laws |
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By: saos1n888
19/09/2008
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| if you dont like speed cameras and the revenue they may raise then just dont speed. It only effects you if you break the law. as does anti hoon laws.. |
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By: peaceleo69
20/09/2008
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i think as well as publicising fatalities, they should also be publicising serious injuries that are suffered in accidents. people that have to live with the results of their stupidity
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great post laurelle-my young daughter suggested exactly the same thing, the other day! |
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By: nathanzachary@ymail.com
20/09/2008
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Like the low life that did a Hit and run on me while riding my new motorcycle on Forrest road in 94.
Life changing. |
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By: ferret.jones74
20/09/2008
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i think as well as publicising fatalities, they should also be publicising serious injuries that are suffered in accidents. people that have to live with the results of their stupidity
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great post laurelle-my young daughter suggested exactly the same thing, the other day
Yeah lets make the victims family suffer a bit more by showing it over and over again on TV
that'll work |
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By: peaceleo69
21/09/2008
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Yeah lets make the victims family suffer a bit more by showing it over and over again on TV
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not sure what you mean there!
Surely letting people know; that not only death results from these tragedys but many people are maimed for life-those who cause the crashes and their innocent victims.
It is jut not a death toll-just like in war;people dont only get killed.
Just counting those who die; as in the raod toll ;only tells a minor part of the tragedy and as such; minimises the impact of crashes-not all of which involve fatalities-but often life long debilities; as well. |
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By: llanfair@y7mail.com
1/01/2009
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| you seriously need to grow up. Hoons can and do kill people. Maby if one of your loved ones was killed by a hoon you would agree. |
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By: llanfair@y7mail.com
1/01/2009
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| Not true. Proofis needed for police to act. |
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By: peaceleo69
2/01/2009
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| llanfair-I think you need to state the ID-or copy paste the post ;to which you direct your answers! |
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By: sticks0
2/01/2009
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if an idiot is caught driving or using thier car in a dangerous manner, then no bullshit just take the car and crush it at their cost. Take thier license for 24 months mandatory.........End of lesson number one.....Do it again, then lesson number two, crushed car, lisence gone for 5 years and 12 months jail! Lesson number three, crush car, 5 years jail, never to be issued a license ever again.
That would fix them! Di ckheads |
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By: pedrofromspain
2/01/2009
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nathanzachary,
know where you comin from,
my mate was left for dead by one of the Whitlam sons in Sydney,
crashed into his bike and left him on the road,cuvnt just did a runner!
so much for the Whitlams ?
then another mate got crunched by the Lyons grand son, same deal.
What did the copps do?
SFA!!
Biggest hoons on the road are respectable people?
What i see. |
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By: mintie_boy
5/01/2009
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So sticks what is a dangerous manner? Indicating inappropritate can be dangerous ... the might drive me off the road and crash, killing my family. Or how about someone driving 80 in a 110 zone. Cars get impatient behind them and make silly decisions because they get frustrated. Also cause cars to be in close proximity to each other and when more cars are around the more liklihood of an accident occurring. Or how about some driving talking on a mobile? Or how about driving tired? Or how about drink driving?
Hoons are the media's, politicians and police scapegoats. Easier to blame hoons then address the serious issues of under training and revision of driving on our roads, dangerous roads, lack of policing other road laws (besides speed) ... the first couple cost too much, and the first and last won't win politicians votes ... blame hoons, they only make up a small percentage of the voters. |
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By: fastcar6933
5/01/2009
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| totally agree, ^^^^ old mate, also start attacking these "hoons" then you also create a stigma between police and the young people they generally go after, not good having a large amount of young people not liking police........ many other more important issues on our roads than "speed" and "hoons" all causing massively more accidents everyday, but like you said these two don't lose votes for now and are relatively easy to attack. splash it across the media and all the old folks will believe it....theres 80% of our vote. |
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By: fastcar6933
5/01/2009
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oh, and if the fine/punishment is suppose to reflect the crime, explain to me how these "hoon" behaviors are considered as bad if not worse than drink driving, that by the BS state government stats causes like 45% of accidents, when "hooning" MAY cause one or maybe two fatal accidents in a year, so if where imposing reticules laws to supposedly prevent deaths, then i believe arguing with anyones spouse is illegal and is punishable of up to 10 years jail....it may cause domestic violence.
so being a car enthusiast(ask anyone of us) these laws need to be abolished, bring some faith in the system back to a large MAJORITY of the citizens of this country, not just the over 55 voters....... hey don't believe me, go to your local drag strip and ask anyone there...... |
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By: jaykaye_09
5/01/2009
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Ah the police. Those scamps.
I had to laugh when one day, whilst driving on my 'P's (which was some time back now), I noticed a car in front of me pull to the side with the intention of letting me pass.
My cousin, who was in the car with me, rightly pointed out that is was undercover police. I wasn't worried, and continued driving as I had done nothing wrong (my car isn't exactly 'high powered' either - far from it). So, I continue on my way, only to notice the police following behind...
Thinking I might be paranoid, I drove around, taking the 'long way' home, which eventually led me through a school zone. Of course, I continued to drive properly, obeying the appropriate road rules, as I always do.
The police officer followed me for a good 10 minutes, before turning off and leaving me be.
Not sure if I was being paranoid, but it sure made me curious. Incidentally, did this officer have nothing better to do? |
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