By: jaykaye_09
8/11/2006
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Though I want DST, that was a really well presented take on the debate madaussiegirl.
After reading that (and other posts), it again comes down to little more than personal preference. Beach before work, or after work. Sitting on the balcony when it is dark, sitting on the balcony as it gets dark.
I can't see any right or wrong answer. In that respect, I support a trial period. I will add, that I don't like the idea of DST going to referendum. We vote for a government so they can make necessary decision, not so they can bring it to referendum which, in most cases, don't pass due to the simple fear of change.
I will also argue that more business is done in the domestic market as opposed to the international (Hong Kong, London etc.), however; that isn't an overriding aspect of the debate - at least for me. |
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By: ausgal951753
9/11/2006
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At last 2 people who can beg to differ but agree to give the people their choice. OK lets do the trial and vote.
My personal choice is a 3 year trial (to really get a feel for the pros & cons) and then a vote. I will be happy if that happens whatever the result. |
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By: bmpooey
9/11/2006
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Man, i can't believe i spent time reading through all these messages, there were some stressfull messages and some valuable messages... daylight saving turns out to be a bigger issue than i thought, still i can't really see one strong reason behind daylight saving apart from creating more jobs... still need to be looking at a very detail level, work longer hours? shorter hours, but more shift? will the business take the idea onboard?
anyway, i first heard of daylight saving a few years back when i was a oversea student studied english. i found it fascinating and even though my english was very bad, but somehow i managed to understand it. Then, i found it was a very smart idea but stupid. and still i believe it is now too... have to adjust the clock back and fore... not to mention it will be very difficult to implement too... effect locally, nationally and internationally.. to be honest, we haven't got it yet, and i got ppl asking me what the time different between their places and perth already... and 3 year trial, that's a joke. i'm personally a trial and error person and originally supported the idea. But having read through all these messages, i found that it is something too big for trial and error. and if it is in for three years, i believe it will be permanent. |
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By: bmpooey
9/11/2006
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"In 1975, the yes vote failed 46 per cent to 54 per cent. In 1984, the same margin, with no winning again. In 1992, the margin only slightly less, 47 percent to 53"
This is interesting.. do u have a stat on the number of ppl who voted and what the population age range voted for and against... this would give the above stat more meaningful... also, someone mentioned that WA did have a 'daylight saving' trial back then before the vote. can someone confirm this?
it's truth that there are new ppl from oversea and ppl who couldn't vote then and can vote now.. on top of these there are also ppl who leave and come back to WA... but didn't these things happen during these 3 decades as well.
i believe we should have a vote
@ WA do you want 'daylight saving'? yes or no
* if yes then let have 'daylight saving' and after sometime (3 or 5 years) we will vote again to fully confirm that 'daylight saving' will be permanent.
* if no then we will vote on "WA do we want 'daylight saving' trial?" yes or no
- if yes then let have a trial for 1 or 2 years
- if no then let not talk about 'dayligth saving' for another 20 or 30 years.
but i guess it's probably too late.. 3 year trial.. this's suck. |
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By: ausgal951753
9/11/2006
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It is difficult to make your mind up on an unknow factor, as you can see from the ravings on this board.
The Idea of a 3 year trial is to let the people get a feel for the pros and cons of Daylight saving. After 3 years we vote and there can be no argument, providing we have a simple question do you want daylight saving YES or NO. Unlike the recent referendum on 7 day trading were the questions was rigged by the greenies and the Burke lobbyist. Had that been YES or NO question we would of had 7 day trading now. |
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9/11/2006
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By: bradus02
9/11/2006
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As regards effect on interstate business. What effect does DLS have on international business? I deal with many international suppliers and customers, some with their times ahead of us, some behind, some the same. I dread to think how to explain to them that I am changing my clock to not lose business with interstate companies even though it stuffs up my dealings with them.
"Oh, sorry Kwan. Just changed my clock this week so I can spend more time at home in the evenings with an hours extra daylight ........ No, your business is important to me yes. Sorry Kwan? Go get what?"
On top of already working 10 - 12 hours a day I'd have to throw another hour on top of that to keep them all happy too. I'd be even more buggered when I get home. Multiply the same problem by the number of companies with overseas trade and work out the number of extra hours work needed to accommodate the change. Does not sound very economical to me.
Given that then surely, apart from big companies like BHP etc, then surely the smaller companies suffer international business downturn during DLS period. I won't state it as fact, as some have done regarding traffic and pedestrian accidents, but it is surely a possibility. |
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By: silicacontent
9/11/2006
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| Bradus you have really excelled yourself with the biggest load of bull I have ever read on here, this one goes with your ravings about "no daylight saving because of crocodiles and sharks" apologys about the fading curtains and cows milking that was somebody else, Anyway you said you live in Far North Queensland so I guess you just gone TROPPO. back to bending bananas. We should start a Guiness book of wackiest reasons against Day light Saving. |
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By: starfire1au
9/11/2006
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| so it's illogical to want to take my dog for a walk at 5am when its cool and light outside before starting work at 6am is it!?! oh and for your info I never stay in bed past 5am, Iam not that lazy!! |
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By: bradus02
9/11/2006
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| So silica, you do business over seas do you? Knowing you, you probably claim to live overseas as well. All that extra daylight is effecting you too much. |
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By: bradus02
9/11/2006
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How about weekend golfers actually losing time with their families because the golf course opens by sunlight timing not your watch. (instead of teeing off at 6.30 am it will actually be 7.30 am. What about our old lawn bowlers silica? either start an hour later and ruin your well earned retirement routine or start an hour earlier when it is warmer and risk dehydration.
Apart from lifestyle choices which are already available to us here in the northern parts of Australia silica, the best you can come up with is that DLS reduces the number of accidents on our roads. You have been challenged many times to provide evidence via a credible link but are yet to do so. As they say, either put up or......... |
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By: bradus02
9/11/2006
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Also silica, you will note that I have not claimed what I wrote to be fact, rather, noted it is a possibility.
Less accidents!! Pfffft. |
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By: ausgal951753
9/11/2006
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looking forward to nice lazy summer light evenings, watching the children play healthy outdoor sports, while hubby cooks dinner on the BBQ letting me relax.
Daylight Saving cannot beat it. Those lucky folk in Victoria, Tasmania, New South Wales, South Australia and the ACT already have it. Wish we did. |
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By: bradus02
9/11/2006
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Gee you must have a horrible life now if you need daylight savings to do those things.
Doesn't your hubby cook dinner before 7.30? Its still light up until then.
What time do you bath your kids? What time will you bath your kids? Will you let them run around outside and get dirty again after their bath? Do you do that now?
Again though you have just highlighted a series of life style decisions that you could have now if you were serious about them. When asked for one scrap of evidence for a serious benefit to DLS you keep going back to how pathetic your life must be now if you cannot achieve each of your desires with the status quo. |
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By: bmpooey
10/11/2006
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i don't want to offend anyone, but if i do. i apologise now.
first, i'm already made up my mind that i'm against 'daylight saving'. i said before that DLS is a smart idea that we shift time fore and back to keep our lifestyle the same throughout the year, wake up at around 6 am, get ready to go to work then finish work and relaxing on whatever in the afternoon.
however, many ppl don't like the lifestyle. they prefer a more healthier one that they can do execise in the morning before work. not to mention that with DLS, we would be spending the best part of the day, morning, doing work while worst part of the day, the hottest late afternoon, driving home or somewhere trying to relax.
i also mentioned that DLS is a stupid idea. it creates too much fuss and confusion on time on many ppl, all ppl who will come in contact with WA both directly and indirectly. furthermore, i found it to be an insult to ppl who came up with timezone and time system. even though these systems ain't perfect, they're best we have.
after all, time is only a point of reference, we only use watch when we deal with something or someone else. for example, what time's the show on or what time the flight arrive. otherwise, we wouldn't give a rat s..t what time it is cause we are on holiday down in hawaii.
and timezone was created for majority of ppl of the world. for that reason, it is generic and simple. and now we want to use DSL to make it more complex. what if the whole world use DLS, how confusing will that be. we might as well throw the timezone in the bin.
i believe DLS is a way some politicians attempting to get perth leaving the 'easy going lifestyle' behind and moves forward towards a lifestyle of big city such as new york, singapore or melbourne. but it just that these city ain't perfect and they do have problems of theirs own. and we're surely don't want to go down exactly the same path.
PS: ausgal, u really had me thinking u'r a politician (no offence) |
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By: ausgal951753
10/11/2006
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bmpooey , no offence and you voice your opinion well, although the bit about me being a polly was a bit rude. I dont belive I am that far down the ladder.
At the end of the day its what each individual person likes or dislikes. Some people dont like red wine some do etc. etc.
I quite enjoy the benefits of Daylight saving some people do not.
I believe most people do.
What I and a lot of other people are asking is to try it and see. If you dont like it then we do not have to keep it. As long as we get to vote yes or no.
Perth will always have that laid back attitude like California, however the bad parts of city living are already with us, we already have the various asian, lebonese gangs etc. bit thats probably for some other thread. |
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By: taking_the_piss182
10/11/2006
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as a 17 year old living in perth i have never had the experience of daylight saving (last time we had it was when i was 2-3 yrs old). from reading about it i can see all the reasons why ppl want it and why they dont. in my opinion i think we would be better off with DLS and i personally want it brought in. i think a 3 year trial would be perfect for the state and especially people like me who have never experienced DLS. it will give us a good feel for what its like. many ppl that i have spoken to about it (mainly my peers) are in favour of it. i havent had the chance to vote on it yet and so has everyone else who is my age so the excuse of its been voted down 3 times isnt good enough.
at least give it a try. then argue for and against it and the arguements you have will be more valid. |
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By: bradus02
10/11/2006
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Re DLS reducing accidents:
3 Major accidents on local roads in the last two days here.
All three between 7.30 am and 2.00pm.
Don't think DLS would have changed that. |
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By: simonchlvrs
10/11/2006
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Of course it would've...they would have been between 8.30 am and 3.00pm!!!(lmao)
I have noticed that you appear to be living in northern QLD bradus02. If this is the case..buggeroff and let the west decide about DLS. As for comments made about work times, business dealings etc....who gives a toss, really. Upon my return to WA i am working 12hr days, 6am-6pm. The chance to relax after work with the family will be great. I can not do most things suggested before work, as getting them up to play at 4am would be stupid, and i prefer to do these activities later anyway.
To all and sundry, I agree with earlier statements of "let us trial it for a bit and make our decisions afterwards". You wouldn't buy a car or a house without at least having a look would you?? |
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By: bradus02
10/11/2006
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I have noticed that you appear to be living in northern QLD bradus02. If this is the case..buggeroff and let the west decide about DLS.
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Bugger off? Me? I have not once suggested what WA should or should not do Simon unlike ausgal and silica, at least one of whom lives and votes in WA AND QLD depending on where they are posting. You are more than entitled to call for a trial, referendum etc and if that is what you want and get then that is great for you.
I will though suggest you must reside in the Southern part of WA. If you look at a world map of countries with DLS the vast majority are in temerate regions while the tropical and sub-tropical areas chose to not implement it. The problem with WA is the vastness of the state and the concentration of the population in the south western corner. Obviously more of the population of WA will have lifestyle benefits afforded by DLS.
Simon, I never intended to be deawn into the debate on the WA boards, but felt it necessary after noting others were posting on both. People who have been challenged to find the relevant statistics to back what they state as fact regarding DLS. Something they have not done.
Here is a sample of what they have found if they were not too scared to look and be proved wrong.
"When the U.S. went on extended DST in 1974 and 1975 in response to the 1973 energy crisis, Department of Transportation studies found that observing DST in March and April saved 10,000 barrels of oil a day, and prevented about 2,000 traffic injuries and 50 fatalities saving about U.S. $28 million in traffic costs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_savings#Rati onales_for_DST |
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By: bradus02
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So as you can see, it has been left to me to give their argument credence. I have, almost been proved wrong on this point. Note though that this was an extended period of DLS so is outside the scope of the usual seasonal periods. All that is left for ausgal & silica to do is show some more recent stats and info and the point will be lost to me.
As you can see, I don't mind being proved wrong but it is the proof that was missing, and in some regard still is. |
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By: ausgal951753
10/11/2006
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Nice light evenings sitting on the baclony, glass of Swan Valley late picked Verdelho, lots of people out enjoying the evening light, the smell of hubby cooking my dinner on the BBQ.
How on earth have WA people missed out on this for all these years. |
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By: bradus02
10/11/2006
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Who the hell drinks late pick? Swan valley has better early season verdhelo.
And tell hubby to take a shower if you can smell him that easy. |
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By: silicacontent
10/11/2006
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Hey Ausgal be fair I am all for Day light Saving as long as you gals learn to cook on the BBQ.
PS dont tell my wife I said that. |
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