By: brookestphillips
4/11/2008
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Western Australia is in the exact same time zone as Hong Kong, Singapore and many other power countries of the world so to be a unified nation why doesn't the Eastern States alter their clocks permantely with ours? At least the Queenslanders have got the right idea.
Not to mention that WA is the powerhouse of the nation, generating the most income into the country compared to any other state. So, any argument for daylight savings in Western Australian because of businesses need to comunticate/trade with the rest of Australia is complete nonsence. We support the rest of Australia financially so shouldn't the rest of Australia follow us?
Another view against daylight savings is an environmental issue. Yes the sunlight hours are the same in a 24hr period whether we have daylight savings or not but, we all finish work/school the same time therefore we have an extra hour of sun and not to mention heat. Our sea breeze would normally kick in late afternoon, helping to ease the extreme summer heat. Now it won't be blowing for an hour later. People will be coming home in warmer weather, to warmer homes and putting on their air conditioners and staying on longer too. Running of airconditioners = energy = harming the environment.
Sorry to state the obvious, but the sun raises in the east and sets in the West. We get more sun in the afternoon than the eastern staters anyway, why more? If we want daylight savings for the simple fact of more sunlight at the end of the day, shouldn't we in fact be having daylight savings in the winter months when the daylight is shorter? Or to put it even simpler, why don't those who support daylight saving actually get up out of bed one hour earier to enjoy the longer daylight in the morning when it's a plesant temperature. Or even better still, start work earier therfore be able to finish work earlier and then be able to enjoy the afternoon sun.
Daylight Savings a "NO" for me and most of my family too. |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
5/11/2008
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Brooke your post reflects what everyone says in the real world,
and the majority on here as well.
1500 posts on this topic so far,
lets hope the pollies get the message eventually. |
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By: bulldoost
5/11/2008
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i do actually wonder...
over 70% of wa trade is with china, hong kong, singapore, taiwan, indonesia, malaysia, thailand... and these are in same time zone as wa is!
10% of wa trade is with rest of the world
20% of wa trade is with eastern states... why we, as western australians, succumb to minority staekholders in commonwealth?!?
i do mention "small detail" that 43% of all australian overseas earnings is done by wa... i do think very seriously that actually not wa bowing to eastern states but they now and suck to wa will be much more appriopriate, wa can exist without commonwealth, commonwealth cannot exist without wa... |
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By: feralflea
5/11/2008
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What's the bottomline here?
Will this upcoming DLS referendum succeed? - probably not.
Will that make the issue go away? - No. It's odd, but the only thing that will make the issue go away is a "yes" vote.
Will we have another referendum in another few years after this one fails? - Yes.
Eventually, either a referendum will succeed or a government will do as Victoria has done and "just do it".
It's worth voting "yes" just to make threads like this one go away. lol. |
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By: mintie_boy
5/11/2008
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Just to correct you brookestphillips WA does not generate the most income of any state in Australia. WA contributes to 40% of the country's export revenue but only contributes 10% of the nations gross income. NSW and Victoria are the two largest ecomomic states in Australia. Hence why talks of secession in WA only occur when the WA economy is booming (because fall back on the rest of the country to support them when it isn't as strong) ... and defnitely going to need that help when 500,000 mining and construction jobs become redundant. (Imagine the debt crisis WA will be under when these miners can't repay their debts when out of work).
WA may be in the same timezone as China etc but it is in the same country as the rest of Australia (the majority who have DLS).
The argument that it is bad for the environment can be argued to go either way ... because it gets warmer later in the day then air con doesn't need to come on as early (so sorry brookestphillips that argument doesn't work) ...
Lastly as I have said before it is a personal choice, stop trying to make up "bigger" reasons ... they are easily argued and really pointless. Tell me why you don't like it ... not regurgitate cr@p you hear down the grapevine. |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
5/11/2008
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feralflea what u said is absolutely correct,
but why are the real reasons given?
its not because 47% want it thats for sure. |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
5/11/2008
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| *are=are not |
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By: waterbank
5/11/2008
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Tell me why you don't like it ...
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The majority simply dont like it....period.... |
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By: kwikfix55
5/11/2008
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The people who want it, want it because it would be nice, the people who don't want it, dont want it because of the impact it has on their lives. People want extended shopping hours for the convenience and b ugger the suckers who get rostered to work it.
At the end of the day, there wasn't all this shit fighting without it and the way it was introduced smacked of arrogance. For it to be crowbarred in by the government of the day is anti-democratic.
Reminds me of a kid wanting something and keeps asking over and over again until it gets the answer it wants. People keep saying no here, I suspect the margin against will be even greater after all the bull **** that has gone on since it was forced on people.
In the previous 3 referendums on daylight savings, it was 53% NO - 47% Yes. Nothing will change no matter how many referendums we have, the answer will always be NO!!!
1975: 46.3 Yes 53.7 No
1984: 45.7 Yes 54.3 No
1992: 46.9 Yes 53.1 No |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
5/11/2008
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Well we know why we hate it,
coz it would be 'nice' is not enough reason to implement it.
There must be an alterior motive behind govts that want it forced upon us. |
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By: kwikfix55
5/11/2008
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As a final consideration as to why daylight saving's 'evening leisure myth' retains such a powerful hold over our thinking, one has to consider who or what drives it. Contrary to popular belief, daylight saving (either its introduction or its extension) has never been the result of a grassroots lifestyle movement. Rather, throughout its century-long history, it has been overwhelmingly driven by the business sectors of the developed world — and WA is no exception.
One does not need sunglasses at 7 pm to see that daylight saving extends the daylight hours of the working day, which in turn obliges people to work a longer average day, particularly the self-employed. What's more, extended daylight after work induces people to go out and spend money, rather than stay home and relax. One could very well argue that daylight saving's true agenda is to stimulate productivity and profit — neither of which have ever been the natural companions of leisure.
Golf-industry lobbyists estimate that the extension of daylight-saving time could translate into $400 million in additional greens fees. The barbecue industry projects $150 million in increased sales. Coles and Woolworths stores, for their part, see another $1 billion or more coming into their coffers. |
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By: trevorsteamboat
5/11/2008
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"1975: 46.3 Yes 53.7 No
1984: 45.7 Yes 54.3 No
1992: 46.9 Yes 53.1 No"
Wow, so the last referedum 15 years ago gave a 6% advantage to the no side? And you believe that 6% is enough reason to kill the idea completely? I thought it was 9% and looking at it now im not convinced that No is a guaranteed winner. |
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By: jaykaye_09
5/11/2008
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| Wah...! |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
5/11/2008
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| Whoa! |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
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| Where's Tick? |
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By: bulldoost
5/11/2008
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mintie_boy - just to correct the correction...
gdp - is actually changing money from one pocket to another losing few bucks in the process...
real earnings are only and only from external trading! for last few years, wa is providing 43% of that earnings...
now, in existence of wa, once (in 1831...) wa did overpaid it's tithe, and as result get auditor general...
since formation fo the commonwealth and conning wa into it - there was not a single year where wa received more than it put into national purse...
in years of 1904 till 2004 - on average wa was providing more than 20% of national income! and all that on initially less than 5% of the population...
in last 10 years, wa is providing more than 35% of oz income... and that on 9% of the population...
now, mining and construction together account for about 13% of employment in wa, considering that there is just over 900k employed in our state... your numbers are politely speaking at least inacurate...
i do assume that you are from rust belt? |
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By: tickfen
6/11/2008
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Where's Tick?
quietly practising writing a little X for when the unforgettable day of revelation is finally here and i can (with trembling hand) install it in the NO box....lol |
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By: waterbank
6/11/2008
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Rol up Roll up...
$ 100 on the table that DLS is defeated once again...
Any takers ? |
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By: waterbank
6/11/2008
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| I wonder if the TAB can help me ? |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
6/11/2008
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| I'll bet my left Nut...........? |
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By: tickfen
6/11/2008
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I'll bet my left Nut...........?
thats the small one.....pmsl |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
6/11/2008
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Not the best,
No. |
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By: tickfen
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| in that case i sense an element of doubt mate....lol |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
6/11/2008
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| Yeah it will be implemented eventually. |
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By: mtide@rocketmail.com
6/11/2008
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...which is the opposite of ....ummm...
never mind. |
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