By: ausgal951753
31/10/2006
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achris your argument is totally without merit.
To follow your argument would mean we would never have another election again.
The issue is not dead but very alive and running.
We are in a democracy not a communist state.
NO NO NO I do not accept your argument at all. |
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By: rygar069
31/10/2006
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If it were a dead issue, it would not keep getting raised again and again would it?
Enough people have asked the question for it to be put to referendum - so that is what will occur.
Yes, there are other issues, and many in fact probably are a lot more important than daylight saving.
The fact remains however, that there is a significant proportion of the population in favour of DLS.
That significant proportion have made their concerns known to their respective members of parliament, who in turn have decided that the people themselves need to answer this question by themselves for themselves.
Accordingly, we may soon have a 3 year trial followed by a referendum.
People have a right to be heard and exercise their democratic rights, regardless of how many times the issue has been raised previously.
Whether that significant proportion is in fact a majority proportion remains to be seen.
If the people want DLS, they will vote for it.
If they dont want it, they wont.
Pretty simple really...
No-one has the right to deny the people the opportunity to exercise their democratic right to vote, be it in referenda or elections.
The voice of the people will be heard - on this and any other issue - be it women voting, driving, pub hours etc etc.
Cant see those issues being supported by a significant proportion of the poulation though... |
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By: achris60
31/10/2006
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| Then how many times would the vote have to be NO for you to drop it? Or are you one of the vocal minority who WILL push until you win out over the majority? Let me remind you that a democracy is where the majority has the say. The majority has said NO.... That's it!!! |
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By: haveathink89
31/10/2006
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| This is exactly why WA is aptly named the WAIT AWHILE state. Nothing will ever change whilst we have an older generation of people who just don't want to embrace change. Vocal few? Maybe turn on the tv, listen to the radio or have a chat to a few folk out there and i think you will pleasantly surprised to find that not everyone shares that same view. |
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By: achris60
31/10/2006
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| The issue was raised not by the people, but by one rebel polly, John D'Orazio. So now over 1 million people have to suffer through 3 summers of wallytime because of ONE man. THAT is NOT a democracy. That is a dictatorship!!! |
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By: rygar069
31/10/2006
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The majority has said NO.... That's it!!!
There is no "That's it" about it...different generations of people have different views and are entitled to exercise their rights in relation to those views.
If the majority want DLS, so be it.
If they dont, so be it as well.
Not everybody likes the result of a particular election...but thats the good thing about democracy...you get to exercise your democratic rights and vote again in another 4 years! |
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By: haveathink89
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| Why then have politicians received literally thousands of emails in support of day light saving?? It is an issue that continuously keeps coming up. And really i don't think Perth will be suffering. If that was the case why do other states in Australia keep 'suffering' through day light saving? |
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By: rygar069
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| Same deal with referenda...just because it fails x number of times doesnt preclude the same question being asked again. |
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By: achris60
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Haveathink,
Why is DST a good thing? And why do you think not having it is bad?? Not all change is good. Man's history is riddled with bad changes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!
Just because some of the other states have it doesn't mean we need it. They have a lot of quirky laws that wouldn't work in WA, so why do we need to follow them? Come on WA, show some spine... don't just follow because 'everybody else does it'..... |
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By: haveathink89
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'show some spine...don't just follow'
Because everyone else must be wrong so lets be the rebel state. It sure has got us far. No 7 day trading, no day light saving and the list goes on. Lets just wait for the referendum |
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By: rygar069
31/10/2006
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But you shouldnt throw the baby out with the bathwater either...
If a proposed change is successful somewhere else, then due diligence at the very least should suggest it is worthy of further investigation.
Should that investigation decide the proposed change has merit, then a trial is worth implementing.
If the trial is successful and the majority approves, then the proposed change should be implemented. |
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By: rygar069
31/10/2006
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That id1ot John D'Orazio may be sponsoring the Bill but it would appear that most if not all pollies have polled their electorates with the consensus being that the issue of DLS is very much on the agenda. So much so that the consensus suggests another very close ballot...
Consequently the issue has merit following investigation by politicians and a trial is scheduled to be held followed by a referendum.
The acid test comes at referendum time...
If the people want DLS, they will vote in favour of it.
If they dont, they wont. |
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By: kiashi1963
31/10/2006
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| I'm not a fan of daylight saving. I tried living with it when I was in Sydney, a few years back. It was just a hassel having to adjust clocks and watches, and my own body clock always seemed to know what the 'real' time was -especially first thing in the morning! Besides it's not as if we don't already have enough daylight during summer, we live in Queensland after all. Swimming and playing sports at night, when it's cooler is not only more comfortable, it's more sensible too - no risk of sun damage to your skin! |
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By: silicacontent
31/10/2006
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Well said rygar. Up to now the many arguments for Daylight saving appear to be logical with the limited arguments against having little logic. Lets trial it and then vote.
Repeating what you said Investigate, Trial, Vote
WHY NOT |
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By: rygar069
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Agreed kiashi, it is a nuisance having to adjust clocks.
But there is no 'real' time as opposed to daylight savings time. There is only the arbitrary man made division of time which we denote by movement of the hands of a clock (or the digital equivalent thereof).
There are no more or less hours of sunlight in each 24hr period.
The only difference is whether you choose to make better use of those available daylight hours or sleep the first 2-3 hours away each day.
Changing the clocks is a nuisance which occurs twice only...the movement forwards and then later on backwards.
Your daily routine remains otherwise unchanged.
You play sports or perform a multitude of other activities during daylight hours of a weekend...so why defer such to darkness at any other time?
It is illogical and irrational to make such a suggestion...
During the day, you make appropriate use of sun-protection products...does DLS make a difference to whether you choose to use suncream or not???
WA is going to trial DLS and the people will decide whether they wish for it to continue or not.
Guess we'll all just have to wait upon the outcome of the referendum.
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By: ausgal951753
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Well put rygar. A very good logical argument which what is lacking from those supporting the darkside.
The majority of activities are better perfomed in daylight. So come guys have the trial and then choose between the Darkside and the Enlightend one. |
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By: bunny_lestrelle
1/11/2006
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why do we need to follow the eastern states????
3 votes on the issue already...and the pollies want another one....what are they bored or something???
I personally dont' want it brought in as I have young children and getting them to sleep at a decent hour is going to mean block out curtains. |
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By: georgimw
1/11/2006
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honestly all this stuff about the no, no, no. The stats are close... i said it before...
In 1975, the yes vote failed 46 per cent to 54 per cent. In 1984, the same margin, with no winning again. In 1992, the margin only slightly less, 47 percent to 53"
it's not a very strong "NO" is it? i mean really.
and i agree, kids go to bed when they are told... i did. and i am a child of daylight saving.
but if there is another 'no' then well bugger.
maybe next time. either way people aren't going to be happy.
and isn't there a saying about finding positives in the negatives??? |
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By: ausgal951753
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Thanks George you make good sense.
Lets have our Trial which is educational for those who have never had DLS.
Then we can vote.
And before anyone says we have already voted on this. Not in this century we havent. We have regular elections to allow people to change their minds and point of view. |
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By: starfire1au
1/11/2006
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| What about us poor saps that start work early early mornings and need/want to get some much needed sleep in the evenings, I for one don't want to be trying to get to sleep when the sun is still up after a long hard day at work. Besides the best part of the day are the mornings. |
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By: spikethru4
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[What about us poor saps that start work early early mornings and need/want to get some much needed sleep in the evenings, I for one don't want to be trying to get to sleep when the sun is still up after a long hard day at work. Besides the best part of the day are the mornings.]
Well, you're hardly in the majority, are you? What about the (significantly larger) slice of the population that's fed up of sleeping away an hour of sunlight at the sparrow's fart and would rather enjoy it after work? The early evening will become the best part of the day.
I've said it before: if you need to sleep when it's still light, get blackout curtains. The counter argument "if you want to enjoy more daylight, get up earlier" doesn't hold weight because the general populace is still in bed. |
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By: ausgal951753
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| starfire another illogical argument against DLS from those on the darkside. You have just admitted that the best part of the day is the mornings so we are going to get up as the sun comes up and enjoy the morning. Not lay in bed and miss it. If you agree with yourself then I have won another convert over from the Darkside. |
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By: k_horth
2/11/2006
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It's pathetic, the majority of West Australians have voted no on three seperate occasions, and still the politicions have failed to take the hint, and to add insult to injury have now denide us any say in the matter what-so-ever.
I was under the impression this was a democratic nation, and that the government was there to serve us not themselves.
I think the way they have gone about this is going to upset a lot of people, and when the three years is up those people are going to again vote no just on principle, me included. |
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By: ausgal951753
2/11/2006
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| k-horth I find it difficult to believe you guys from the darkside are serious. The last vote on DLS was over 12 years last Century. Since that vote we have had a new generation of WA voters turn 18, we have had large influx of people from outside the state who have actually had DLS experience and they bring with them nothing but praise for DLS. We have elections every 3 or 4 years for our pollies. My feeling from the workers who I work with and from people I meet in general are all in favour of DLS. So let us do the right thing by all, let us experience it for 3years and vote. |
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By: murtanee
2/11/2006
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Before voting NO to daylight saving three times, Western Australians had a trial run. They therefore made an informed decision based on the actual experience of how they were affected by daylight saving.
Whether you are for or against it, the fact remains the MAJORITY have voted against it three times. I would hope Australians do not follow International trends by igoring basic democratic principles when the priciples get in the way of minority wants. |
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